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Are the tax cuts for the rich in the Senate Healthcare Bill in jeopardy?

Some in the Media and on the Democratic side have called the Senate Healthcare Bill proposal a tax cut bill in disguise….

We now have whispers of some GOP Senator’s thinking about dropping the cuts…

Several Senate Republicans began to question Wednesday whether their health-care bill should repeal a tax on high-income Americans imposed by Obamacare when the legislation would scale back subsidies for the poor.

Susan Collins of Maine and Mike Rounds of South Dakota both criticized the draft bill released by Majority Leader Mitch McConnell for repealing a surtax on net investment income imposed under Obamacare.

Susan Collins

Photographer: Andrew Harrer/Bloomberg

“I do not see a justification for doing away with the 3.8 percent tax on investment income, because that is not something that increases the cost of health care,” Collins said. “So I distinguish between those tax increases that were part of Obamacare that increase premiums and the cost of health care versus those that do not.”

A third Republican, Bob Corker of Tennessee, expressed discomfort with the idea of cutting taxes on the rich while transferring burdens on the poor.

Scaling back the tax cuts could provide a path to winning over key moderate senators who have recoiled at the soaring premiums and deductibles for millions of low-income people as scored by the CBO, and the estimated 22 million fewer people who would have insurance in a decade. Meanwhile, conservatives have pushed to wipe out all of the taxes, though senators like Ted Cruz have not insisted every tax cut remain as part of an overall deal. Conservatives have been focused more on cutting regulations to lower premiums…..


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Yes….There Still ARE Moderate Republicans….

During last years GOP Presidential nomination sweepstakes race ‘moderate’ Republicans fell by the wayside one by one….

It got so bad for them that they had to put a ‘conservative mask on their face to try to survive….

Donald Trump copped the hard right place in the campaign and used it to steal the party….

That was then….

In the last week the moderate Republicans in the Grand Ole Party have asserted themselves , worried about doing something that might make Trump and Speaker Ryan happy, but might cost them their seats come next year…

The Republican party….

Like Democrats…

Has a duality issue….

The parties are neither just one thing….

….In some corners, Republicans saw the past week as a defining moment where lawmakers went from the hypothetical exercise of previous fiscal proposals, which they knew the White House of former president Barack Obama would block, into the world of live ammunition in which these proposals could become law.

That gravity, among moderates and some mainstream conservatives, altered votes. “Sometimes you’re playing Fantasy Football and sometimes you’re in the real game,” said Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas), a Freedom Caucus member whom Trump had won over to support the bill.

By the time Ryan arrived at the White House, delivering the bad news about the whip count for the vote, those Republicans were doing just that. Rep. Barbara Comstock (R-Va.), who brought Ryan into her suburban district outside Washington, broke against the bill, followed by Rep. David Joyce (R-Ohio).

His district, a mix of suburbs and working-class towns east of Cleveland, actually went for Trump by more than 11 percent, as Joyce was reelected by a 25-percentage-point margin. In the past his biggest political fear has been a primary challenge from the right, yet the slight hint of Trump-fueled challengers to those opposed to the bill did not sway Joyce.

Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R) had accepted expanded Medicaid funding as part of increasing insurance coverage through the ACA. Ryan’s American Health Care Act would phase out the Medicaid coverage.

Joyce made a simple, binary choice about Obamacare: “The American Health Care Act was not a better solution.”

This new combination, with Ryan’s right and left flanks willing to buck him and the new president, presents deep concern for the long-term effort to take up the more complicated effort to overhaul the corporate and individual tax codes….


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Can Ted Cruz carry a Iowa Win much farther?

The Texas GOP Senator has captured the Iowa win by being Hardest rightwingnut in the  2016 Presidential field….

That worked in Iowa to get him a win against Donald Trump who most Conservtive insiders don’t consider part of their club….

But as the GOP race moves on?

The voters of the party includes less very conservative’s and more moderate and even liberal GOPer’s….And come the general election ?…Any GOP nomiee will HAVE to find their way back (in PERCEPTION at least) to the political middle…

And THAT does NOT bode well for Cruz , who seems to have already fallen behind Marco Rubio in the polling….

This theory is from Nate Cohn over @ The Upshot at the NY Times and it seems lpauible to me and establishment GOPer’s (Who Hate Cruz) hope he’s right….

Ted Cruz kept his hopes alive with a come-from-behind victory in the Iowa caucuses this week. But the way he won raises serious questions about his chances later on.

He won Iowa for one reason: He excelled among people who described themselves as “very conservative.” They voted for him by a big margin; he won 44 percent of them to Donald Trump’s 21 percent, according to exit polls. He lost every other ideological category, and often by a lot.

The national Republican primary electorate is far more moderate than Iowa’s, so Mr. Cruz will need to attract a far broader coalition. The history of recent conservative Iowa winners — like Rick Santorum and Mike Huckabee — offers plenty of reasons to wonder whether he can count on doing so.

In entrance and exit polls from 2008 and 2012, there was no primary state where the G.O.P. electorate was as conservative as it was in Iowa. Only Nevada had a similar ideological composition.

It is not a coincidence that Iowa and Nevada stand alone with so many “very conservative” voters and so few “moderates.” They’re both low-turnout caucuses, which tend to attract the most committed Republican and conservative activists. The Iowa electorate might look a lot more like the one in neighboring Wisconsin if it adopted a primary system.

As it is, “very conservative” voters outnumbered the combined total of self-described “moderate” and “liberal” voters by a 32-point margin in Iowa in 2012 — but by no more than 15 points in any primary state (Louisiana). Even in primary states with well-justified conservative reputations, like Texas or Alabama, “very conservative” voters outnumbered the total of self-described moderates and liberals only by a four-point margin. In the north, “moderate” and “liberal” usually outnumber “very conservative” voters, and often by a wide margin….



For those who think ALL Republicans are JUST Conservative right wing nuts?


The number of moderate and liberal GOPer’s have increased according to a gallup poll….

The percentage of Republicans identifying as conservative on both dimensions has dropped 15 percentage points since 2012, largely offset by an increase in the percentage who identify as moderate or liberal on both dimensions. Still, the current ideological positioning of Republicans is not unprecedented; the proportion of social and economic conservatives was as low or lower from 2001 through 2005…..


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House retirements…The continued exit of the Moderates…

While this has been the march of the Republicans as the Tea party picks off moderate GOPer’s…..

The last two announced departures are Democrats…..

And this is just cementing the dynamic in the House of separation of the parties politics.

Bipartisanship is going to continue to have rough time in the nations Congress…..

Moderates are a dying breed on Capitol Hill. It’s a reality that bodes poorly for the prospect of easing the gridlock that has seized Congress in recent years.

The Republican Party isn’t the only one losing its moderates. The ranks of moderate Democrats in Congress have shrunk considerably in recent years, too. The result of whittling from both sides is a dwindling middle that could intensify political polarization that is already on the rise.

Rep. Mike McIntyre, (D-N.C.) celebrates with family members and supporters gathered at the Hilton Riverside in downtown Wilmington, N.C., as election results come in Tuesday, Nov. 6, 2012. (Mike Spencer/AP)

Rep. Mike McIntyre, (D-N.C.) celebrates with family members and supporters gathered at the Hilton Riverside in downtown Wilmington, N.C., as election results come in Tuesday, Nov. 6, 2012. (Mike Spencer/AP)

The first session of the 113th Congress was historically unproductive, continuing a trend in recent years of more logjams and fewer bills being passed. A large part of the story has to do with an often unruly House GOP Conference with few moderates and many conservatives who have refused to budge from their positions in legislative showdown after legislative showdown.

At the same time, moderate Democrats have been running for the exits during the last two cycles. The latest to step down is Rep. Mike McIntyre (D-N.C.), who announced Wednesday that he would retire after nine terms.

McIntyre is a Blue Dog Democrat who often broke ranks with his party, most notably on the federal health-care law, which he opposed in 2010. He sits in the third most conservative district held by a Democrat and survived the 2012 election by the skin of his teeth, outpacing Republican David Rouzer by a slimmer margin (about 700 votes) than any other incumbent that year….



The GOP will probably get the North Carolina McIntyre House seat and COULD snatch the Long Island , New York House seat also….

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The Tea Party gets Higher Negative Poll Numbers…..

These Poll numbers aren’t gonna stop the group from STILL going after President Obama and his policies……

Tea Party’s Image Turns More Negative

A new Pew Research survey finds the Tea Party “is less popular than ever, with even many Republicans now viewing the movement negatively. Overall, 49% of the public has an unfavorable opinion of the Tea Party, while 30% have a favorable opinion.”

“The Tea Party’s favorability rating has fallen across most groups since June, but the decline has been particularly dramatic among moderate and liberal Republicans. In the current survey, just 27% of moderate and liberal Republicans have a favorable impression of the Tea Party, down from 46% in June.”



Liberal Republicans?

People here do NOT believe in Moderate Republicans….

Liberal ones?

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The GOP infighting isn’t gonna stop for the Convention….

There IS a problem with Romney and the parties ringwing nuts that ISN’T gonna go away even in 70 days….

In an email to supporters Thursday advertising a contest offering a lucky donor the chance to watch his Tampa speech in person, Mitt Romney laid out the stakes for the Republican convention as clearly as anyone could.

“It’s time to put an end to President Obama’s campaign of frustration and division by coming together as a unified party,” Romney wrote.

Unfortunately for the man who’s just days from finally sealing the deal and becoming the Republican presidential nominee, the Republican Party’s frayed edges are on full display here even as delegates wait for the actual convention to start.


The come-together moment follows a week that ripped open the wounds of the Republican primary that were supposed to be fully healed in time for Romney’s big party.

Just eight days ago, Rep. Todd Akin, the Republican nominee for Senate in Missouri, derailed Romney’s focus on Medicare and welfare with his comments about “legitimate rape” and female biology.

The week of ensuing fallout have made it more difficult for Romney to use the convention to reset the race with a unified GOP behind him. Instead, it has inflamed existing party rifts on social issues, immigration and Akin himself.

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What to do? What to do?….What’s GOP Conservatism these days?

by  @Wahtever Works…..

This story is of course everywhere, but it still bears repeating.

After a speech in Dallas on Thursday, Jeb Bush also recoiled: “I used to be a conservative, and I watch these debates and I’m wondering, I don’t think I’ve changed, but it’s a little troubling sometimes when people are appealing to people’s fears and emotion rather than trying to get them to look over the horizon for a broader perspective.”

The establishment is taking to their fainting couches again.

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It looks good for the Repeal of Don’t Ask next week….Senator Snowe is on board….

Report: Olympia Snowe Ready To Vote For Cloture On DADT Repeal

If this report is true, you can count on the military’s ban on openly gay servicemembers to be repealed by the end of this year, barring no major complications. CNN is reporting Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME) will vote for cloture on Saturday, bringing the total number of pro-repeal votes over the magic 60 mark — even without the waffling Sen. Kent Conrad (D-ND), who voted to move repeal to a full vote last week but is so far unwilling to say he’d do it again.

In addition to Snowe, Republican Sens. Susan Collins (ME), Scott Brown (MA) and Lisa Murkowski (AK) have committed to voting for cloture on the standalone DADT repeal bill passed by the House this week. With their votes added to the vast majority of Democratic caucus (minus Joe Manchin [D-WV] and maybe Conrad), the total vote for repeal is now above the 60 vote mark needed to deny opponents of repeal the chance to filibuster.

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Could be ANOTHER win for the President despite all the bullshit from John McCain….

I’m glad that the moderate Republicans are working with the President…

And that the just vote “NO’ stuff doesn’t apply to everyone in the GOP…..

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How many types of Democrats and Republicans are there?…..More Added…

Liberal Democrats – Blue Dog Democrats – Main Stream Democrats – Southern Democrats – Moderate Democrats


Republicans – Moderate Republicans – Tea party Republicans – Conservative Republicans

Damn….That’s a lot of parties!
And we have progressive democrats – and neo-conservative republicans as well. And establishment republicans – and grassrots republicans, and independent republicans and independent democrats.. heartland republicans and left-coast democrats.. northeast democrats.. and kansas republicans hehe..i’ll stop there.
Loyal Democrats and Yellow dog Democrats

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It will be up to the GOP Moderate Senators to pass the Defense Bill…

Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe are shown in a composite. | AP Photos

[ Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe complained Monday that Republicans were being shut out of the debate. | AP Photos ]

The Democrats have added two amendments to that bill for legislation they want….

‘Don’t Ask….Don’t Tell” …which would allow gays to serve openly in the military ……

and ….

The Dream Act …..which would  grant legal status to illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as minors and later enrolled in college or the military…..

In order to get the 60 votes needed to Past the original  base bill….

The Defense Authorization bill……WITH thesed amendments…..

They will have to get several moderate Republicans to vote with them…

This is right before the November 2nd elections and in the face of the GOP campaign to deny the Democrats ANY substantive legislation…

Which is why Democrats attached the Bills to the Defense money authorization…

Backers of the bill held out slightly more hope for the measure Monday than late last week, when many viewed the legislation as a lost cause — but Democrats made clear they didn’t know how the vote would turn out.

“I don’t know whether we have the votes or not,” Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin of Michigan told reporters. “I haven’t done a whip check. I just don’t know if the votes are there.”

The stakes for the Democrats are high, with key provisions on the table for two important constituencies ahead of midterm elections, in which they’re already in danger of losing the House and conceivably even the Senate.

Even before the vote, gay rights activists, in particular, made it clear that there would be recriminations against Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and President Barack Obama if the “don’t ask, don’t tell” repeal doesn’t go forward — a pledge Obama made throughout his 2008 campaign. And immigration-rights activists say they’re watching how both parties handle Tuesday’s vote as well.

“This is kind of like the shootout at the O.K. Corral. Democrats and Republicans are all kind of at the fence trying to figure out who’s going to shoot first,” said Ali Noorani of the National Immigration Forum. His group supports efforts by Reid to use the bill as a vehicle to pass the DREAM Act, a measure that would grant legal status to illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as minors and later enrolled in college or the military.

On the surface, the dispute Monday centered less on the substance of the bill and more on a procedural question about how many amendments Republicans would be able to offer to the massive defense spending bill.

Two key senators thought to be open to repealing the ban on openly gay soldiers serving in the military — Maine Republicans Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe — complained Monday that Republicans were being shut out of the debate.


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Lindsey Graham thinks the Tea Party will ‘die out’…..and the GOP’s internal fight…..

Lindsey Graham speaks at a podium. | Reuters Photo

[ Lindsey Graham says that the GOP has shifted so far that Ronald Reagan would have trouble getting elected in today’s party. ]
Yea…. Lindsey…..

You and the other Republicans hope and pray, huh?

First these people spit on you guys….

Then they actually win some primaries and send regular GOPer’s packing….

Now they come back knocking on the parties doors for campaign money…

Disavowing their primary rhetoric…..


You guys sure do hope they go away…..


Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) says in a forthcoming article that the tea party movement is “unsustainable” and will “die out” because it lacks vision.

Graham made the comments to The New York Times as part of a profile in Sunday’s magazine written by Robert Draper.

Graham argues throughout the story that the Republican Party will eventually move away from the fringe and join him closer to the political middle but that, for now, it has shifted too far to the right.

“Everything I’m doing now in terms of talking about climate, talking about immigration, talking about Gitmo is completely opposite of where the tea party movement’s at,” Graham says. “The problem with the tea party, I think, is it’s just unsustainable because they can never come up with a coherent vision for governing the country. It will die out.”

Graham later says that the GOP has shifted so far that Ronald Reagan would have trouble getting elected in today’s party.


Graham is a moderate Republican who has no trouble working with the Democrats to get things done….

This has been a BIG thorn in the side of Conservative Republican’s since Obama won the presidency….

I expect Daniel to ‘pop in’ and denounce Graham and his statements……

His statements are part of the ideological tug-of-war going on in the Republican party…..

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GOP Litmus test?……What Litmus Test?

From PolticalWire…….

Republicans Dismiss “Purity Resolution”

“The RNC avoided a potentially embarrassing resolution that would have given the party an ability to impose sanctions on candidates who do not follow key elements of the GOP platform, a move that would have shone a spotlight on some of the party’s best recruits,” according to The Hotline.

“GOPers meeting in Honolulu this week unanimously said the party is in good shape to make big electoral gains this year, but many worried that the proposed resolution could highlight differences between conservatives and several more moderate contenders.”

Note.…..He, he, he…..

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Despite Governorship wins…the GOP has to still define what it stands for….

The Grand Old Party has the same problems the Democrats do…How do you deal with the left and the right …and how do they get them to row together on their boat?

Solving that issue will be the key for both parties ability to get votes from the independents that are critical factor in winning elections…….

If the GOP turns to a right leaning party only in general elections (all republican go to the right in primaries, that’s given) they run the risk of duplicating the NY-23 outcome where voters track to the moderate inspire of the party registration numbers……right now cooler heads are going to have to look forward within that party…and local races are still more influenced by local issues more than national issues…

The truth is…we are still dealing with the after effects of President Obama’s ground breaking election……

In both parties….…

Democrats thought Obama voters would still rally to their side….they didn’t…

Republican’s are still dealing with the shock of their lackluster presidential campaign, and George Bush’s policy’s……

And both aprties are dealing with the drumbeat of the economy and unemployment, eventhough the econmy may be starting to turn around (people don’t feel that turn)…..

It is a brave new world out there……how does the GOP deal with it?

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