What if Nothing Happens after Mueller can prove Trump and Co. committed crimes?…Open Thread for 11/3/17

Vox is out with a piece that asks a question that SHOULD be asked….

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What happens if the Republican majority in the House are MORE afraid of losing their jobs by voting to impeach a guy who 60% of America doesn’t approve, of and 49% are all right if they do bring him up on charges…… BUT….60% of Republicans do approve of the guy, not caring about his politics , or that he can remember what he said ten minutes ago …(Most American actually don’t seem to care about these doings because they do NOT affect them directly)

What happens if 60% of the Grand Ole party voters/supporters/party members poll that they do NOT care if Donald Trump starts a war with North Korea that could get tens of thousands of Korea’s killed and thousands of American soldiers also?

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What happen’s if Donald Trump keeps coaxing his adopted party to KEEP TRYING to ‘steal from the poor and give to rich?’…..

All these things ARE FUCKING SCARY…..

But so far?

It seems that almost NOTHING is more important to most Republican lawmakers than  KEEPING their jobs….

Some of those who don’t like what going on have stood up and been greeted with applause….But most who question Trump out loud are subjected to abuse from some of their local vocal party members …..

They get to add that to Trump berating them in public…..

In reaction to THIS?

Some have announced they’re giving up and not running for re-election…

But most?

Most keep their heads down, swallow hard and vote to support Trump’s all over the place requests and proclaim their allegiance to Trump’s  wishes….

The specter of Donald Trump winning the GOP nomination and Presidency still haunts these party members….Heck, it still spooks the media which has always ignored the rightwingnuts…But now tries to front some of their crazy stuff….

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If you get the time to read the Vox piece by David Roberts…..It IS good to understand NOT the law and legal part of Trump’s story for the last year…It sis also important to understand the political dynamic he is running on the American government…..And things unimaginable  COULD occur next year that could change the American way of governance and way of life if one parties lawmakers do NOT grow the ball’s to stand up be counted if  Robert Mueller and his investigators and prosecutors lay down a story of a cover-up’s , lie’s ,  money, laundering, conspiracy , obstruction and maybe even treason….

What if facts and persuasion just don’t matter anymore?

As long as conservatives can do something — steal an election, gerrymander crazy districts to maximize GOP advantage, use the filibuster as a routine tool of opposition, launch congressional investigations as political attacks, hold the debt ceiling hostage, repress voting among minorities, withhold a confirmation vote on a Supreme Court nominee, defend a known fraud and sexual predator who has likely colluded with a foreign government to gain the presidency — they will do it, knowing they’ll be backed by a relentlessly on-message media apparatus.

And if that’s true, if the very preconditions of science and journalism as commonly understood have been eroded, then all that’s left is a raw contest of power.

Donald Trump has the power to hold on to the presidency, as long as elected Republicans, cowed by the conservative base, support him. That is true almost regardless of what he’s done or what’s proven by Mueller. As long as he has that power, he will exercise it. That’s what recent history seems to show.

Democrats do not currently have the numbers to stop him. They can’t do it without some help from Republicans. And Republicans seem incapable, not only of acting on what Mueller knows, but of even coming to know it.

Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe US institutions have more life in them than I think. But at this point, it’s just very difficult to imagine anything that could bridge the epistemic gulf between America’s tribes. We are split in two, living in different worlds, with different stories and facts shaping our lives. We no longer learn or know things together, as a country, so we can no longer act together, as a country.

So we may just have to live with a president indicted for collusion with a foreign power….

More…

Top image…marketwatch.com

Middle image….bailtmoresun.com

Bottom image…latimes.com

CG
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You are a little late with that story.

🔴Zreebs
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I’m confused. I still haven’ t heard when the hearings will be held on the Niger killings. Didn’t we have something like 21 hearings on Benghazi?

CG
Guest

So?

CG
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There does not appear to be anything on line suggesting that Leann Tweeden has ever stated she is a Trump supporter.

If she had a political agenda, it wouldn’t be too hard to tell, such as right-wing radio host who is accusing Franken of having harassed her. Since, her allegations are not related to sexual harassment, I don’t think it qualifies as relevant to this story, and they both seem like miserable people anyway.

My Name Is jack
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Ha ha ha!

🔴Zreebs
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Burma Was renamed Myanmar in the eighties I believe. Did Yugoslavia or the Ottoman Empire make it into the top ten countries for visitors?

Scott p
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Two setbacks yesterday for those who want to “lock her up”. Sessions when asked about a special counsel to investigate Hillary Clinton said there is no “factual basis” for such.

Then over on FOX Shepherd Smith debunked the Clinton–Russia– uranium conspiracy theory that has been running nearly non stop on the network. Lots of teeth gnashing today

Keith
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In an effort to fight back against hate I just wrote a $250 check to Doug Jones on top of my previous donation. I have now gone over the reporting limit, so this contribution will be “verifiable” and my stalker will have access to my address. That’s how strongly I feel about taking a stand against yet another Republican racist and homophobic candidate. And yes, I know that there is only a slight chance Jones will win this election given the make-up of the Alabama… Read more »
Scott p
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Of course I’d rather have a competent opposition party that doesn’t rally behind pedophiles and pussy grabbers. But as long as they do I want them not just beaten, but fucking annihilated!

🔴Zreebs
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No, of course the motives for hoping for the destruction of the GOP are not 99.44% pure. If I am to be honest, I would tell you that I was glad to read the charges of Moore being a pedofile. But I also recognize that it in the long run it is better for us all to have two ethical people running for public office than one, even if that reduces the odds of a Democrat winning. With that said, I don’t think there are… Read more »
My Name Is jack
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Since the word,”hate” seems to arouse you guys ire? How about “intense dislike?” Look, I don’t believe that All of Trumps vote was based on”hate,” nor did I ever say that.Do I believe though that “hate” (or intense dislike if you find that term less objectionable) is a major factor in the Trump Republican Party?Yes I do. Indeed,many old line conservatives(CG agreed in a conversation we had one day) have said that the term “conservative “ now refers to one who “dislikes” liberals and the… Read more »
Keith
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You don’t believe racial resentment motivates the majority of the Republican base Zreebs? Does it matter what our Republican friend thinks or doesn’t think about his party and its future? He has been apologist for this sorry group of racists for years now, starting with Willie Horton, through the birther movement to today. Try knocking on some doors in the next election and mentioning Barack Obama in a older white neighborhood in, shall we say, the suburbs of Cleveland or Detroit. Hate is very much… Read more »
CG
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Well yes, I suppose I am going to get mentioned throughout this Saturday until I “go on record.” I have said that so many of Trump’s base put emphasis on “hate” and I have heard it remarked that many of them are nihlisists who think America is already done for and they just want to fight back against what they don’t like (i.e, immigrants and Muslims). However, it is completely unreasonable to ascribe that philosophy or or the label of “hate” to every one of… Read more »
🔴Zreebs
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I think deep down, CG would agree with the first sentence – although he would disagree that the magnitude of the problem is as great as you believe (he’ll, I don’t agree it is as great as you believe)!

He might agree with the second sentence because it includes the word “maybe”.

Let’s hear what he has to say…

My Name Is jack
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There are two comments in this article though that CG would specifically disagree with, “Hate became the rallying cry for far too many conservatives” And Maybe the best thing that can happen to the Republican Party next year is to lose House and Senate majorities to the Democratic Party.” CG specifically refuses to acknowledge the primacy of “hate” as a motivating factor of the Trump Republican Party and still wants the Republicans to retain their Congressional majorities. As I explained earlier this week CG believes… Read more »
🔴Zreebs
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Jack, Scott, Keith, CG and I been saying this for awhile now,..

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/24/opinions/goodbye-republican-party-opinion-bardella/index.html

My Name Is jack
Guest

Incoherent rambling and weirdly obsessive

But

Par for the course

Sad.

Keith
Guest

Of course Jack is totally correct here.

My Name Is jack
Guest

“Maybe to you…”

No to everybody who posts here.

Ignorance is bliss though and you are a living,breathing example.

And no I haven’t changed my views and no amount of lying by you will change that.

On to another topic,

Can you explain why,after writing your appeal for more posters, ,out of the thousands of people you “claim” visit here daily,not One answered your call?

The simple law of averages is that at least one person would have at least responded,but not One Word.

Incredible.

That is if one believes the premise.

Hahaha.

My Name Is jack
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No I didn’t.

I said that Republicans don’t care about it.

They don’t.

Amusingly ,you keep arguing this point ,although you essentially agreed with it in your comments above.

As I’ve said, anytime I offer a comment you automatically disagree with it, even when ,as here, you had previously agreed with it yourself.

Yes, maybe humor is called for.

As I will repeat,fundamentally your comments are

Illogical.

My Name Is jack
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No I didn’t.

I said it would take a long time.

It will.

I expect this matter to drag on for quite awhile yet.How can you prove otherwise?

My Name Is jack
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I never said “nothing” would come of it ole clueless one.

I specifically said that Mueller indictments were a problem for the indicted ones.Some may go to jail.

The point is that your hints that this investigation might bring Trump down is fanciful.Indeed in the above editorial comment you essentially concede the same .

Republicans don’t give a damn about any of this.

My Name Is jack
Guest

What “chains?”

My Name Is jack
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What’s new? Some of us,not you,have been saying this from the beginning of Trumps Presidency. Republicans don’t care about all this stuff. All they care about is that the He is sticking it to the “libruls” and the “media,” even CG has conceded that . Flake, Corker, Kasich?They represent a small slice of the Republican Party. It’s past time for you to shake off this idea that the Republicans themselves are going to do anything about Trump. Theyre not . Mueller s investigation ,that you… Read more »