Democratic Presidential Nomination Super Delegates are here to stay….

Anybody who thought they where going to be phased out was fooling themselves…

Bernie Sanders complaints and wishes are just that,,,,’

The guy isn’t a Democrat….It isn’t his party….

The Democratic Party this week plans to name 75 people including lobbyists and political operatives to leadership posts that come with superdelegate votes at its next presidential convention, potentially aggravating old intraparty tensions as it struggles to confront President Donald Trump.

The new members-at-large of the Democratic National Committee will vote on party rules and in 2020 will be convention delegates free to vote for a primary candidate of their choice. They include lobbyists for Venezuela’s national petroleum company and for the parent company of Fox News, according to a list obtained by Bloomberg News. At least three of the people worked for either Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders in 2016 while also casting ballots as superdelegates.

The superdelegate system has been a focus of complaints from supporters of Sanders, the Vermont senator who challenged Clinton, and activists on the left, who have said the party’s nominating system is rigged in favor of corporate interests. While most superdelegates are elected to a public or party office, the at-large DNC members are chosen by party leaders….

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CG
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In 2015, there were numerous posts from regulars (not saying Zreebs or DSD) which suggested that Hillary was going to win all kinds of white votes that Obama could never get because of #racism and that she would put Arkansas, Kentucky, West Virginia, etc. into play and do better than Obama in the rural parts of Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc. As it turns out the opposite happened and a whole lot of white people who had voted for Obama decided they could not vote for Hillary.… Read more »
🔴Zreebs
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James was outspoken rhat he thought Hillary had it in the bag, but if you do back to the posts just before the election, neither DSD nor I did – although we both thought she was likely to win.

CG
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I don’t know what the “forseeable future” is. I am sure people thought that Republicans would always be the “Party of Bush” but they have sure moved away from that, so there’s no reason to think that another shift could not occur. It was the Democrats here that were talking about Hillary on this thread. Obviously, there are some major schisms. What about the Democrats of today and those who would seek to replace Trump? There should not be much reason for optimism there at… Read more »
Scott p
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CG must be happy with Dubya’s comments from yesterday.

Of course for as newsworthy as it was it doesn’t change the fact that the GOP is the Party of Trump for now and for the foreseeable future.

But hey let’s keep talking Hillary here huh?

My Name Is jack
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Ignorance is bliss.

CG
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But we don’t claim to be “happy” afterwards.

CG
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You never really gave any reasons (I used to ask you) about why she was qualified beyond “she’s a woman and it will be exciting for them” and “she’s married to Bill who was a President.” But it’s crazy to pretend you were not enthusiastic about what you believed to be her overwhelmingly strong chance of winning the White House, and was not from the earliest possible time after the 2012 election and probably even before. That’s like how you spent all of 2014 insisting… Read more »
CG
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or wrinkled suits and the weight of candidates’ wives.

Keith
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Can we now move on to discuss the current occupant of the White House and the morally corrupt Republican Party.

You know relevant issues to the demise of our Democracy under their leadership.

Or some of us can talk about pant suits.

CG
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I have my doubts that Sanders would have won against Trump, although it less likely Trump would have been nominated if the opponent was going to be Sanders. I do know that if Trump had beaten Sanders, everyone would have insisted that Clinton could have won instead. I think it is fairly reasonable to assume that O’Malley, Chaffee, or Webb could have beaten Trump, because of Trump’s weaknesses, but those candidates never had a chance in the primaries. By the early summer though, it was… Read more »
CG
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You weren’t enthusiastic about Hillary? That’s a laugher.

You declared all throughout 2015 that “the lady has the White House in the bag and will be the second Clinton President.”

Others here insisted that she would not face a primary challenger capable of winning a single state against her.

🔴Zreebs
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Scott, I don’t recall the GOP line that the Democrats picked the wrong candidate, but if they said it, that certainly didn’t influence me. I am not convinced that Sanders would have beat Trump either, but I believe that he would have. He was way ahead of Hillary in the polls in head-to-head vs Trump and ahead of Trump by double digits.

Scott p
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I also think Clinton was the best nominee of those who ran in 2016. I’d implore the Sanders supporters not to fall for the Republican line about Democrats picking the wrong candidate. They said that about Obama too. Make no mistake–Trump and the Republicans would have savaged Sanders. Could he have won the rust belt states Clinton lost? Possibly. There might have been some angry whites who couldn’t stomach Clinton but would have been OK with the old white socialist man. On the other hand… Read more »
My Name Is jack
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Yes,I believe thatHillary Clinton was the best candidate in 2016 out of those running.

I still believe that.

Keith
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Zreebs, I supported Obama in 2008 remember, even though I had previously worked for and supported both Clintons in the past. Why, because, among other reasons, I knew what would happen to her in a Presidential election campaign because of her name and gender. And, because I wanted a Democrat in the White House after eight disastrous years, and didn’t want to lose with a woman. Your snarky comments about her simply confirm what I always believed would happen to her if she ever got… Read more »
🔴Zreebs
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I was for Howard Dean in 2004, but voted for Kerry in the Louisiana primary solely because I felt Kerry’s nomination was inevitable.

🔴Zreebs
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I am not sure that anyone who campaigned for Hillary has any credibility in attacking candidates for only thinking about themselves. It clearly wasn’t, for example, in the Democrat Party’s interest for Hillary to take hundreds of thousands of dollars for closed door speeches to Goldman Sachs in which she wouldn’t release the transcripts. But Hillary surrogates (including you and James) were busy attacking Sanders for everything – including wearing rumpled suits – until well after Hillary won the nomination. Not sure why you and… Read more »
Keith
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Hillary got four million more votes and had more elected delegates. How does that equate to “we don’t know….?” The Super Delegates have always raritified the choice of the primary electorate. Why would they have voted for Sanders? After all, they know Bernie first hand. What would the overriding reason be to deny the choice of the Democratic electorate? I know of no one who voted for Hillary because her nomination was inevitable. I know lots of people who didn’t vote or threw their vote… Read more »
🔴Zreebs
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Keith, In truth, we don’t know whether Sanders would have won or not if not for the super delegates. There were people who voted for Hillary because her election was inevitable. In fact, I recall several posts here from you arguing that Sanders wins were depleting the Democratic warchest as an argument that Democrats should vote for Hillary.

Keith
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I remember the outrage by the Sanders folks about Super Delegates, and those folks have never decided a nominee against the votes of the primary electorate.

It will be the same in 2020.

My Name Is jack
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Why would you assume differently? You are conceding that the superdelegates have Never chosen the nominee(nor do I believe they ever will). As we all know anything is possible ,but due to the structure of modern campaigns ,the idea that the “delegates, will actually choose the nominee , is nothing more than a remote possibility that raises its head every four years. The “delegates “are nothing more than window dressing and an audience for the extended campaign commercial which is all modern conventions have become.… Read more »
Democratic Socialist Dave
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Just as we thought it unlikely that the Electoral College would again vote for the candidate with fewer popular votes (not since Benjamin Harrison in 1888), you could assume that the Democratic presidential nominee will always be chosen in “primaries and caucuses” rather than by delegate count (and possibly a contested vote at the national convention). But (after more than a century) the former has happened twice in the last two decades; why presume that (with superdelegates not chosen in primaries or caucuses) that the… Read more »
My Name Is jack
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When was the last time the “delegates”chose the nominee?

As everyone knows, the nominees are now chosen in the primaries and state caucuses.The “delegates”just perform the ritualistic duty of ratifying that choice.

Democratic Socialist Dave
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Rhode Island’s Democrats voted heavily for Bernie Sanders last year’s primary (in contrast to 2008 when they heavily supported Hillary Clinton). But the delegates they elected were out-numbered by unelected super-delegates who all supported Sec. Clinton. Rhode Island’s new Democratic National Committeeman (and thus super-delegate) is former Providence Mayor Joe Paolino, who is clearly on the Establishment side and conservative on the Democratic spectrum. The inheritor of a local real-estate empire, he’s often the one to hold expensive Democratic fund-raisers and was appointed Ambassador to… Read more »
🔴Zreebs
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The Democratic estblishment won this battle. James can cheer – lobbyists and operatives making the party rules.