Republicans….WTF try to pass something only 24% of Americans support?

Update….

It now up to Alaska Sen Lisa Murkowski….

Republican Senator’s Paul, Collins and now McCain will vote AGAINST the Graham/Cassidy Healthcare Repeal Bill….

As we wait for the US Senate to possibly vote AGAIN on trying to back up their pledge to get rid of a Obama healthcare program that they themselves have made more popular….

We see a crescendo of reasons why the Graham/Cassidy Bill is witout any merit EXCEPT to do something that the Grand Ole Party is choking on that needs fixing NOT a misguided hard sell campaign push that could send tens of millions of Americans out of their healthcare insurance….

Some Republicans appear to deaf, dumb and blind on this….

A new poll finds that just 24 percent of voters support the Graham-Cassidy ObamaCare repeal bill.

The poll from the left-leaning Public Policy Polling finds that 24 percent approve of the new ObamaCare repeal and replacement bill, while 50 percent disapprove.

The low approval number comes as the Senate is heading towards a possible vote on the legislation next week, and as backers are still trying to rally support.

The poll was highlighted by several Democratic groups seeking to defend the Affordable Care Act.

In addition, 46 percent of voters said they would be less likely to vote for a member of Congress if he or she voted for Graham-Cassidy, while 23 percent would be more likely.

Seventy-seven percent said they agreed with late-night host Jimmy Kimmel that no one should be denied coverage because they cannot afford it…..

More….

Note….

…’One official said the concerns from governors have alarmed some in the White House — and that “we really aren’t sure what the impact will be” of passing the bill. They also fear that the bill could bring political blowback from the left and right.

Trump has publicly expressed enthusiasm about the bill, tweeting about it repeatedly. But in conversations with aides, he has turned back to one topic: What can the White House do that is seen as “repeal and replace?” a phrase he likes to repeat’…

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60 thoughts on “Republicans….WTF try to pass something only 24% of Americans support?”

  1. If they don’t have the votes in Congress, it won’t pass, so what are you worried about?

    However, it is not like Obama and the Democrats cared about the unpopularity of Obamacare when they rammed it through, using every tick in the book. Remember, “we have to pass the bill before we can see what is in it?”

  2. You’re still for it right?

    You would vote “yes” right?

    Everyone knows that if it doesn’t have the votes it won’t pass.

    Thanks for “informing” us.

  3. Yes indeed….

    I feel that like the last time?

    They do NOT have the votes….

    Will McConnell actually run the vote?

    Who knows…

    But after being quiet about this, beliving this was OVER….
    The wave AGAINST THIS IS FORMING….

  4. So Obama passing something that wasn’t popular at the time=bad. Republicans passing something far more unpopular=good.

    Makes sense

  5. As I have said before, I am not a Member of Congress. If I were, I would have to do more due diligence, but based on what I know as a lay-person, it is the best possible bill at this time to address a problem. I have faith in the ability of the states, including the states that would not agree with me politically, to address issues for their own states.

  6. It’s probably “bad” in both senses in terms of lack of transparency, and the inability to attract bipartisan support. It’s irrelevant in both senses in regards to public opinion polls, if the elected Representatives believe it is the right thing to do.

    So, I am being consistent on this completely. If someone thinks this is “bad” for the reasons stated, then the same would have to apply towards the process used to pass Obamacare.

  7. Susan Collins said today that the fine print of this bill you support would essentially deprive those with pre existing conditions of being able to purchase health insurance .

    You support that?

    You believe that is “…the best possible bill at this time?”

    Why don’t,instead of just mouthing off your partisan political talking points of the Trump Republican Party ,you do some uh “due diligence and then get back to us as to specifically how this bill,that Chuck Grassley candidly admitted that he was supporting just to pass something,makes things better,

  8. I would think that a”free enterpriser” like you would be somewhat concerned that the “free enterprise ” health insurance companies all oppose this bill and say it would create “havoc” with the market,

  9. When you elect me to Congress, you can hold me accountable that way and vote me out if you don’t like my votes. Otherwise, you sound like a brat right now.

    Based on what I have heard, people cannot be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions and states must have standards that allow for affordable coverage in those situations, using wonky formulas, similar to how the CHIPs program is run.

  10. Also I am enjoying this little civics lesson you are giving us today.

    Gee the “representatives “can pass a bill and it doesn’t matter what public opinion is.

    I didn’t know that!

    I fear you have been reading too many of James posts!

  11. If I were to try to ask your or anyone else here to provide detail reasoning for supporting legislation that I have problems with, you would laugh.

  12. …twitter….

    Steven Dennis‏
    @StevenTDennis
    Graham-Cassidy update
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  13. Oh come onCG ,a “brat” just because you don’t have the integrity to defend this hodgepodge of cow manure that Doc Cassidyand Lindsay slapped together to satisfy members of the Trump Republican Party like you?

    I trust the integrity of Susan Collins in these matters over you and “what you’ve read.”

  14. I’ve given my reasoning for my opinion. That is not something that others here ever tend to do, with the possible exception of DSD.

  15. Susan Collins should vote her conscience. If she decides to vote no, and even if it is the deciding vote, I will not have any personal criticism of her or in anyway question her right to be a Republican.

  16. Good

    You’re essentially admitting what Scott alluded to earlier.

    You have no idea what’s in this bill and are for it because you’re part of the “base” of the Republican Party who just wants anything to replace the hated Obama legislation.

    We can all remember this when you next start your pompous sanctimonious blather about only wanting what is “good” for the country routine,

  17. I told you why I support it based on the information I have. I’ve been very specific. You can whine if you wish.

    Nobody else here has any concerns or ideas about what is going on with Obamacare now or how to fix it other than “Single Payer.”

  18. What “reason?”

    All you’ve done is admitted you are really not sure what’s in the legislation ,but you are sure that it is better than Obamacare.

  19. Yes, I have stated on numerous occasions that I like the concept of federalism, in which the Obamacare mandates and taxes are repealed (though nowhere near enough for Rand Paul) and then states can adopt their own plans, be they liberal plans or conservative plans or in between.

    Obamacare is imploding right now, causing real pain to people, and I do not know what a better option is at the time being.

  20. The real problem here is that you are sorry you originally said you were “for” this pile of crap and now you are twisting and turning in a rather humorous attempt to justify your admitted ignorance of what is even in it.

    And gee Im a “whiner” and a “brat?”

    Wow!

    Ain’t I cool?

  21. Yes, you are having a senior temper tantrum today. Be happy, it’s Friday, we are not at war with North Korea as of this moment, and if the bill isn’t going to pass, you have nothing to complain about.

    The people being harmed under the Obamacare status quo are on their own, right?

  22. Rewarding bad behaviour (I thought the GOP were big on “accountability” — rewarding good decisions and penalising bad ones, but then the Party of Honest Abe has its own definitions of ‘Good’ and ‘Bad’):

    bostonglobe.com
    Report: Medicaid-expansion states to lose $180 billion under Cassidy-Graham plan

    By Amy Goldstein
    Washington Post
    September 21, 2017

    A new analysis released Thursday buttresses a growing body of evidence that the Senate’s Cassidy-Graham health care bill would slash federal spending on health coverage and cause most states to lose billions of dollars in such aid.

    According to the report by the Kaiser Family Foundation, the Republican plan to dismantle much of the Affordable Care Act would cut federal spending on health insurance by an average of 11 percent between 2020 and 2026 in the 31 states, plus the District of Columbia, that have expanded their Medicaid programs under the law. The states that have not expanded Medicaid — all but one led by Republicans — would gain an average of 12 percent during that period.

    As a result, states that kept their Medicaid programs small would receive an extra $73 billion, while the federal money to the Medicaid expansion states would be cut a total of $180 billion.

    Overall, the analysis by Kaiser, a respected health-policy organization, predicts a slightly smaller decrease than other assessments of government spending…

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2017/09/21/report-medicaid-expansion-states-lose-billion-under-cassidy-graham-plan/k5NPknYFLVb21xQL6cgMqJ/story.html

  23. Collins is a NO…..

    Paul is a NO…..

    McCain just went to NO….

    These human beings that happen to be part of the Grand old party seem pretty well to be voting their consciences….

    They are ALL bona fi Republicans…

    They effort is a BD one as McCain points out…
    Trying to do the dhit ALONE is wrong…
    They tied Obamacare to the Democrats…
    It worked in the 2010/2010/2016 elections….
    NO MORE….

    It’s over and done with…

  24. The reason it is imploding according to the health insurance companies is because of the Republican Administrations refusal to commit to funding the subsidies that would enable them to stabilize the market(which You u claim to be concerned about.)

    Just this week in SC BCBS said that they would have to increase premiums up to aThird because of the Republican Administrations antics but that if the subsidies were guaranteed then the increase would be much less.

    Just mouthing off that you support “federalism” as your party’s leader purposefully works to implode health care in this country, is not in my view the actions of one who wants what is “good” for the country.

  25. What specifically is *your* plan? Besides single payer, since that obviously has nowhere near enough votes.

    Please be specific and detailed jack. It should be easier for you as you are much older and wiser than I.

  26. Trump takes softer approach to wooing Murkowski’s health care swing vote

    By Julia Jacobs
    [Boston] Globe Correspondent
    September 21, 2017

    …..But on the ground in Alaska, where health care is more expensive than in any other state in the country, the push for Murkowski to oppose the Graham-Cassidy bill is apparent. On Tuesday, Alaska Governor Bill Walker, an independent, signed onto a letter urging Senate leaders to forget the new, divisive bill and opt for bipartisan health care overhaul legislation that helps stabilize the market.

    At Murkowski’s office in Anchorage, Wielechowski, the state senator, said demonstrators gathered to send a clear message that they want to keep their health care coverage under the Affordable Care Act.

    Alaska is one of 31 states, a few of them Republican, that opted to expand Medicaid under the health care law. According to the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities, Alaska would stand to lose about $844 million in Medicaid funding over the next decade under the proposed legislation.

    In Alaska, television programming has been saturated with ads imploring Murkowski to vote against the bill, said Marc Hellenthal, a veteran Republican strategist in Alaska. “All the ads, all the money being spent is for her to stay the course and buck Trump,” Hellenthal said.

    But Murkowski, who was first elected to the Senate in 2002 and remains popular, has no imminent political risk in her state. She is not up for reelection until 2022.

    Already buried in the Graham-Cassidy bill is a provision that could delay the cap on Medicaid funding for “low-density states,” described as having a population density of less than 15 people per square mile. According to a report from Business Insider, the legislation will be updated to include a bump in federal funding for those sparsely populated states with health care costs more than 20 percent above the US mean — meaning just North Dakota and Alaska.

    A report from the Independent Journal Review said the new draft of the bill would have three other added bonuses for Murkowski’s state, including the continuation of Obamacare premium tax credits, which are the main subsidies for buying health care on the insurance exchanges.

    Still, Hellenthal, who has worked as a pollster in the state since 1979, doubts Murkowski would sacrifice her principles for a bit of horse trading on the Hill.

    “Trump likes to pride himself as a dealmaker,” he said. But “Lisa really isn’t that susceptible to cutting a deal.”….

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2017/09/21/trump-takes-softer-approach-wooing-murkowski-health-care-swing-vote/crUjxUpKdffm68JNNRGxLO/story.html

  27. And Actually?

    The Affordable Healthcare Program is NOT imploding…

    Every state has a provider…
    Small states are suffering because there is littel competition in those places….
    Every American can get insurance even if they have a pre-condition…
    Republican led states that did NOT want to join the ACA program have NOW lined up to INCREASE their Medicaid coverage , thus pullimng in MOREE money…

    The program is SUPPORTED BY more than 50% of Americans who want it fixed NOT repealed….
    Right behind THAT is the support for MORE Government control in the healthcare insurance programs if only there is a affordable what to do it….

    People want MORE coverage…
    So the Obamacare program is NOT ….I REPEAT NOT a PAIN to people who ARE worried that 40 something Republicans in Washington who have THEIR healthcare insurance paid for out of OUR taxes are trying to take THEIRS AWAY….WTF!!!!!!!

  28. I don’t have them but I am familiar with your volatility. As you said though, it’s often just for effect.

    I have to go do some actual work now, but hope to check back later. I can’t get elected and make health care decisions for America if I do not show that I can take my real job responsibly when required to.

  29. We need the Republicans to stop fucking with MILLIONS of people by scaring them into thinking they will lose their healthcare coverage…

  30. I already have on many occasions ,but Single Payer is not on the agenda presently ,and I forthrightly have admitted is going nowhere under a Republican Administration and a Republican Congress.

    Good try at obfuscation though.

    No the legislation is coming up for a vote ,has a chance of actually becoming the new health law the country in the next few weeks and being signed into law by the Republican President.

    With your full support.

    Truth is youre praying right now that it doesn’t pass so you can get out of the crosshairs over it.

    That’s what’s funny about the whole thing.

  31. So, I want to know what your SPECIFIC plan?

    I will check back later. I expect to see many paragraphs and possibly links.

  32. There is a saying for what the Republicans keeps trying to…do the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results…That’s called something right…

    I think the Republicans are truly in a bind…they have been saying for years…Repeal Obamacare, Deport all the illegals, America back to being America again (which I presume to mean largely for white people, and even that definition has changed over the last 170 years) which are all to appease their basket of deplorable base so that they can use those votes of the deplorables to slip through their real agenda of cutting taxes, deregulation, less protection for the little guy and leave them to the mercy of Company Towns and Corporate America. At some point they will have to face a revolt by this group if they can’t make one of these deals happen…A poor white Republican at some point will wake up and say “these jack offs in congress haven’t done shit for me, yet they cut taxes for their rich buddies, what the fuck man”…

  33. Sen. John McCain will vote against Graham-Cassidy health-care bill

    Dan Nowicki,
    The [Arizona] Republic | azcentral.com
    Published 11:19 a.m. MT Sept. 22, 2017

    For the second time in two months, Sen. John McCain is giving the thumbs down to his fellow Republicans’ efforts to roll back the Affordable Care Act.

    “I cannot in good conscience vote for the Graham-Cassidy proposal,” McCain, R-Ariz., announced Friday in a written statement. “I believe we could do better working together, Republicans and Democrats, and have not yet really tried. Nor could I support it without knowing how much it will cost, how it will effect insurance premiums, and how many people will be helped or hurt by it.

    “Without a full CBO score, which won’t be available by the end of the month, we won’t have reliable answers to any of those questions.”

    McCain added that he took “no pleasure in announcing my opposition,” particularly because one of the bill’s authors, Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, is one of his best friends.

    “I know they are acting consistently with their beliefs and sense of what is best for the country. So am I,” McCain said….

    …McCain has advocated for the Senate to return to regular order and he tacked his opposition to Graham-Cassidy to the fact that it didn’t go through the normal committee process with bipartisan participation.

    “I would consider supporting legislation similar to that offered by my friends Senators Graham and Cassidy were it the product of extensive hearings, debate and amendment,” McCain said.

    “… We should not be content to pass health care legislation on a party-line basis, as Democrats did when they rammed Obamacare through Congress in 2009,” he continued.

    “If we do so, our success could be as short-lived as theirs when the political winds shift, as they regularly do. The issue is too important, and too many lives are at risk, for us to leave the American people guessing from one election to the next whether and how they will acquire health insurance. A bill of this impact requires a bipartisan approach.”

    http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2017/09/22/john-mccain-will-vote-against-graham-cassidy-obamacare-repeal-bill/690883001/

  34. The man is right on principal….

    He’s a Republican….

    But the process SHOULD be done by BOTH parties and Senator’s should KNOW WTF they are voting on….

  35. Someone is talking about pairing a Repeal with tax cuts?

    These guys REALLY do NOT want to keep the House and possibly give up the Senate next year, eh?

  36. He, he, he…..

    I’m sure Kelly is already working on his boss to go easy….

    They’ll need the Arizona Senator soon enough for other stuff…

    It probably won’t work though Scott…You’re right

  37. The funny thing is?

    Trump IS right in talking to the Democrats on the Dreamers….

    But NOT right on trying to do tax cuts on his own with his adopted friends…

  38. McCain wants regular order, you know the kind they used when they passed the Affordable Care Act. That bill went through the hearing and amendment process, and contrary to the propaganda you might read here, the folks who voted for passage understood what was in the bill.

    Also, it is very important to remember that there were (I believe off the top of my head) 180 accepted amendments to the Act before it went to the floor for final passage. Many of those amendments were from Republicans, who then, like the worms they are, turned around an voted against final passage. It is generally accepted that some of the Republican amendments weakened the bill, but the majority was seeking compromise. But, under McConnell we have a “cowardly new world,” no hearings, no amendments, and no compromise.

    They deserve to lose on this point alone. And, thanks to John McCain, it looks like they will again.

    I need to get going, three weeks to my marathon and I need to pick up my speed. Beautiful California fall day, and I have at least six mile to run.

    Have a good day everyone!

  39. McCain in his statement clearly said he did not want to vote for something that was done in the irregular order process such as Obamacare. It’s part of his statement.

    He also says Graham, Cassidy, et al were acting in the best interest of the country. I agree, as is Senator McCain. I wish others here would agree with him as well on that.

    I still look forward to reading jack’s detailed bipartisan proposals to take care of the problems of Obamacare that do not involve a Single Payer solution, as that could not possibly be bipartisan.

  40. McCain in his statement also indicated he would be willing to vote for it after it had hearings, etc. So, he doesn’t seem to necessarily have a problem with the merits or concepts of the proposals.

    I agree that would be optimal, as well as bipartisan, as I said on here today before his announcement, but as we all know, there is a deadline that would have made that impossible.

    I know that a regular Republican President would have already gotten Obamacare repeal and replaced enacted, but we have Donald Trump, instead of that. Too bad, but frankly, it’s more important for Trump to somehow get North Korea and Iran right than this. For the sake of those who are currently suffering under Obamacare, I hope Alexander and Murray can get something done to help them that can attract 60 votes.

  41. Ok….

    One at a time….

    I do NOT think Graham and cassidy are acting in the best interests of the country in pushing to have ten’s of millions of their fellow countrymen/woamn knocked of the health ins rolls…

    McCain voting on anything after hearings , etc. would be voting on something vastly different than what even Graham and Cassidy THINK they have…

    Deadlines often bring clarity and action for American Congressioanl lawmakers…

    A ‘Regular’ Republican President would probably NOT be wating his time on this whole thing whoch has given the present law MORE support and has MOST of the public for fixing the current law..NOT Repealing it…

    Iran IS right….
    Trump is just trying to screw it up….
    He is moving in the right direction with cutting financial lifelines to North Korea…
    He is doing wrong by getting in a ‘whose balls are bigger’ thing with Kim….

    I agree with you in hoping that Alexander and Murray can finanlly sit down and work some fixes for the existing healthcare program…

  42. Scott YOU get the win of the week….

    …twitter….

    The Boston Globe‏ @BostonGlobe
    Trump is calling McCain’s opposition ‘‘sad’’ and ‘‘a horrible, horrible thing’’ for the Republican Party. http://bos.gl/xh0HGN8

  43. Corey’s above statements need some serious fact checking, and lack a basic understanding how the legislative process works.

    When the Democratic Congress passed the Affordable Care Act in 2010 without a single Republican vote, they were criticized for being too partisan. In the end, however, the bill included many Republican ideas (and, of course, the basic design for the legislation came from the Heritage Foundation and Mitt Romney).

    The keystone principle of the act — a mandate that all Americans buy health insurance — is rooted in conservative thinking. Additionally, the Democrat-controlled House and Senate committees adopted nearly 190 Republican amendments while writing the legislation.

    And that brings us to regular order. Regular order is just that, the normal legislative process, committee hearings, testimony, draft legislation, and amendments. And, the Affordable Care Act was passed using the standard legislative process with all the horse trading that goes along with it.

    The Affordable Care Act, or as Republicans call it, “that black boys legislation” was developed over a year long plus process, with hearings, and a very public discussion of the elements of the bill. Remember that silly Republican lie about death panels?? They could have never made that shit up if the bill had not had the type of public vetting that it endured (with all the associated Republican bullshit). The Republicans told their usual basic pack of lies to try to kill Obamacare, and, in the end, got their base to pull off any Congressional Republican from supporting the bill. So, it passed with unanimous Democratic support (because Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi did their jobs).

    Yes, no Republicans voted for the bill. But, that isn’t a violation of regular order, that’s partisan politics in the post-Gingrich era. If the Cassidy/Graham bill somehow passes next week, it will pass with only Republican votes, once again not a violation of regular order. The difference, both Ryan and McConnell didn’t follow regular order in their most recent attempts to repeal Obamacare (not to mention the fact that Nancy and Chuck run legislative rings around them). No hearings, no amendments, no public debate. That is what John McCain is complaining about, he wants to know exactly what he is voting on.

    Trying to rush a bill to passage isn’t in the best interests of the country, John McCain knows that, and he certainly can’t upset his bromance with Ms. Lindsay by discussing the deficiencies of the bill. A bill that was rushed to bring it to the floor of the Senate. No, John will stick with regular order argument. And, none of the Republican alternatives to the Affordable Care Act have had public hearings, any proposed amendments, or expert testimony. No, they were written in secret and rushed to satisfy the Republican donation class, those folks who are still waiting for their tax cuts (cuts that will be financed in part by the elimination of ACA subsidies). Senator Corey Gardner admitted as much this week at a meeting to discuss the upcoming 2018 Senatorial elections. The big donors are refusing to contribute until the Congressional Republicans keep their promise to repeal Obamacare — a promise that was made by the Senate and House Republicans long before Trump ever decided to run for President.

    The Congressional Republicans made this promise and cannot keep it, even with majorities in both Houses. They made their own bed on this one. I guess folks will have to suffer with Obamacare for a little while longer. If only the Republicans would simply fix the deficiencies of the bill and move on. But, that would mean they would have to give the black boy some credit. Don’t hold your breath.

  44. Gee, thanks James. I think it’s important to correct the record on issues like this.

    I too would like to move past simply talking about how Hillary lost and focus on not letting a foreign power meddle in our next election. Something the Republicans don’t seem interested in.

    Not enough has been said about the Russian hacking, because I fear it was more extensive than previously thought.

  45. It’s come to the Trump people coming out and pushing outright lies…..

    A Staffer is saying pre-existing conditions ARE covered in Grahma/Cassidy….

    THAT is a misleading statement….

    The coverage call would be up to each state and we KNOW that some states are gonna make THAT go away ten seconds after they are allowed to….

    White House aide: ‘Pre-existing conditions continue to be covered’ under ObamaCare repeal bill

    http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/352138-wh-aide-pre-existing-conditions-continue-to-be-covered-under-obamacare

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