The aftermath of Charlottesville showed how America has changed…Vox…

In a powerful piece, Vox’s Lauren Williams rebutted those who sought to defend American values by denying the very Americanness of the Charlottesville protesters. “As wrong as white supremacists are about most everything, they’re right about this,” she wrote. “White supremacy is our culture — not just theirs, but all of America’s. It lives in our hearts and minds and institutions, and in public parks and highways across the country. Hate has a home here, and it always has.”

That’s true, and it remains true. But if the events of Charlottesville were a reminder of how deeply racism is woven into our history and present, how easily and honestly white supremacy lays claim to be a venerated part of American life, their aftermath has offered some hope that America is changing, and for the better.

It is likely that the immediate legacy of Charlottesville will be the dismantling and challenging of Confederate monuments. In the days after the march, Baltimore removed its four Confederate monuments in a single night, the governor of Virginia reversed his previous position and endorsed removing the state’s Confederate monuments, and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi joined Sen. Cory Booker in calling for the US Capitol to do the same.

Top leaders in the Republican Party, who often stay quiet during Trump’s eruptions, found their voices. “White supremacy is repulsive,” Paul Ryan tweeted. Mitt Romney was even less sparing. “Racial prejudice, then hate, then repugnant speech, then a repulsive rally, then murder; not supremacy, barbarism.” The list could go on, but the most unexpected message came from GOP Sen. Orrin Hatch, who chairs the powerful Senate Finance Committee and has been reticent to criticize Trump in the past. “My brother didn’t give his life fighting Hitler for Nazi ideas to go unchallenged here at home,” he said.

The business community, which has held its tongue on Trump’s behavior in the hope that silence would bring corporate tax cuts and friendly regulatory rulings, began to rebel. In a message to Walmart’s employees, CEO Doug McMillan wrote, “as we watched the events and the response from President Trump over the weekend, we too felt that he missed a critical opportunity to help bring our country together by unequivocally rejecting the appalling actions of white supremacists.” Led by Merck’s Kenneth Frazier, so many CEOs quit Trump’s manufacturing advisory council that the White House shuttered the board entirely rather than face further defections…..

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53 thoughts on “The aftermath of Charlottesville showed how America has changed…Vox…”

  1. I’m not as sanguine as the writer of this article.

    I think there is a whole lot of life left in the the old blot on our society .

    Indeed, I have attributed the election of Donald Trump to it.

    It might even reelect him ,all noise to the contrary notwithstanding.

  2. What does he get to see first hand?

    I would wager that there are more white racists per capita in Long Island than in Charleston. None of that should matter though. Wrong is wrong, anywhere and most people are good
    everywhere.

  3. Lots of things are “very debatable.”

    That answer essentially means “I don’t have any idea so I think I’ll say that.”

  4. I don’t know if it can be “proven” but the stereotype is the whole southern hospitality thing where people are very nice and polite (I guess you might possibly pride yourself as the exception), and when they really want to insult you they say “bless your heart” as opposed to the blunt-talking profane east coast types.

  5. No it can’t so what’s the point of your alleged “wager?”

    And what in the world does being “polite” have to do with “proving” that one is a racist or not?

    Talk about grabbing at non existent straws.

  6. I like Bill OReillys explanation ofTrumps recent foot in the mouth…

    He doesn’t know anything about Nazis.

  7. He has also talked on many occasions publicly about how he believes in “superior genes” and that he has them and he has also said that it is his German blood that makes him so great.

  8. It appears to me that Steve Bannon and Breitbart have basically declared war on the Republican Party.

  9. At the same time, someone from Breitbart is quoted as saying that if Trump moves to the left, that they are going to help Paul Ryan gather the votes for impeachment.

    They are probably as confused there as anyone.

    Also, Rush Limbaugh was on bemoaning that all the actual Republicans (Priebus, Spicer, Bannon-(is he even a Republican?) are now gone and that Ivanka, Jared, Cohn, and Generals McMaster and Kelly are all Democrats.

    It has been remarked that nobody has any idea if Kelly (or McMaster) even voted for Trump. He has refused to say so. That has to be unprecedented for a White House Chief of Staff.

  10. If you think about it, the one top level person left in the West Wing who has any connections to mainstream Republican Party politics (outside of working with her Daddy in Arkansas) is Pence. That’s it.

  11. Of course in the nether nether world of Breitbart moving to the “left” can mean just about anything.

    I’m surprised they would talk about collaborating with Ryan whom Bannon seems to have a particular hatred for.

    However ,I will admit that hate,as exemplified by the White Nationalists at Breitbart ,rarely functions rationally, so who knows?

  12. Question for Limbaugh?

    If Democrats are now running the Trump White House,yet Trump is supported by 80% or so of Republicans?

    What does that say about Republicans?

    So they are supporting an administration that is really Democratic that wants to repeal Obamacare, give a massive tax cut to the wealthy, build a wall at the Mexican border etc etc.

    Yeah,no doubt, a bunch of damn Democrats!

    That OxyContin can really mess with your mind!

  13. I think Rush was stating a sense of apprehension about the direction that things may be headed, especially with Bannon leaving, but yet he will continue to give Trump every benefit of the doubt.

    He long ago conceded during the campaign that conservatism failed, Republicans were as bad as if not worse than Democrats, that Trump was in no way a conservative, and that populism was all that would be able to defeat the left.

  14. I could be wrong but I thought Mattis IS a Democrat…..

    He, he, he

    Actually Trump was a Democrat TWICE

    I HAVE pointed out that ALL of the military guys working for Trump served under Obama
    And where Obama picks …..
    They came up thru Bush….

  15. Kelly cleaning house of campaign people….
    But Trump has his thrusty Ole cell phone which HAS to be monitored by the NSA and every foreign country embassy in Wash D.C.

  16. I don’t think Mattis has ever been associated with either party.

    Briefly last year, he was mentioned, and seemed to semi-entertain the notion of running as the Never Trump conservative alternative.

  17. The campaign people are still there (Scavino,, etc) and have promotions now such as Hope Hicks. The point is that almost none of them have been involved in the Republican Party outside of Trump.

  18. So Limbaugh wouldn’t consider repealing Obamacare (which about 99% of Republicans ,including you, support)

    Massive tax cuts for the wealthy(again a cornerstone of conservative politics for the past fifty years) and

    A border wall which ,while not enjoying unanimous support on the Right ,certainly enjoys majority support

    Appointment of a very conservative Supreme Court Justice and numerous lower court judges(Trump brags that he hasn’t consulted any Democratic Senators on these appointments)

    Repealing bushels of “burdensome regulations” from the Obama era

    Appointing an EPA Director (Scott Pruitt) who is one of the best known conservative environmental types in the country

    Opening up the Atlantic offshore for drilling by the oil companies

    “Conservative ”

    Like I say that Oxy is a hell of a drug.

  19. I think the point is that he and others like him believe all that is irrelevant.

    Whether there are aspects that conservatives would have supported before or not, it was conceded that conservatism is debunked and that a nationalist populist appeal was needed to appeal to the people who don’t like the Romneys, McCains, Bushes, etc.

  20. Mattis is listed as a Indie in Wiki
    There are also articles with complaints that he isn’t hawkish enough for the Right leaners….

  21. That’s nice(and irrelevant)

    Trump is reinventing the Republican Party in his own image and ,quite apparently ,The majority of people who call themselves Republicans like it.

    This “stuff” about Trump not “really” being a Republican is getting old.

    Indeed, it is past time that those who continue to mouth this line(quite obviously as opposed to the vast majority of people who call themselves Republicans) need to reassess whom exactly they are.

  22. Yeah conservative issues are “irrelevant”

    Got it.

    Some of this “stuff” is no longer even rational.

    As I’ve said before,apparently the only thing “conservatism” means anymore is “against the media and against Democrats”

    As for “populism?” That term is tossed around more than salad and now apparently means nothing more than someone who is “perceived” as being anti establishment.

  23. You are too hung up with labels.

    The bottom line is that the appeal of Trump was with those who thought Republican= bad. They wanted to destroy the Republican Party as the Republican Party existed. The party label was never anything more as a vehicle to get on the ballot to oppose the Democrats (aka The Left and aka The Media).

    Now, they have custody of the vehicle and whether they want to upgrade it, drive it until it breaks down, or just push it off a bridge remains to be seen.

  24. Yes, they consider conservatism to be the establishment, at least with Republicans or as they put it GOPe.

    The true Trump believers want to blow it all up. Those who have been assimilated or taken into the “movement” go along with it because they still see everything as a binary choice against the left or because they are literally consumed with guilt about having voted for Trump and have to justify it anyway possible on a daily basis.

  25. I’m not hung up on labels.

    I was responding to your characterization of Rush Limbaughs use thereof.

    You can keep dicing and slicing this all you want.

    Today, as we speak, Donald Trump is the Leader of the Republican Party.His Governing,not necessarily his campaign rhetoric(which once again has no real relevance anymore) ,is typically what one would expect of a “conservative” and he enjoys the support of a majority(I would say “vast” as a modifier,but won’t so there will be no quibbling over the exact numbers) of Republicans.

    Frankly, this continuing effort to paint him as anything other than a Republican ,and not this or that , has long ago ceased to have much weight behind it.Instead , it’s just the rhetoric of those for various ,and often conflicting, reasons don’t like it that Donald Trump is a Republican and is so accepted by those who call themselves that.One can speculate on their motivations for doing so but such doesn’t change that reality.

  26. I’m telling you how they think. You may think they are wrong for a, b, and c. I may think they are wrong for x, y, and z. But that is how they think.

    Nobody who loves Trump thinks he is a conservative. Even if they insist they are themselves, they don’t care that he is not. As long as the left is fighting him, they will support him.

    On a side note, I will also note that it will be interesting to see the reaction if he announces a surge into Afghanistan. So much of his early support was related to “he is going to get us out of these wars” or “he never would have gotten us into these wars.”

    There are a lot of his backers who will naturally be opposed to the new strategy in Afghanistan, but they are easily distracted by other populist wedge issues.

  27. It may be what you would “expect from a conservative” (though I have my doubts) because you have been equating conservatism with the devil since at least the 1960s, but as an actual conservative, nothing coming from the Trump Presidency (besides a Supreme Court nomination which should have been a slam dunk anyway) has been what I would have expected from a conservative.

    I am seeing incompetence, demagoguery, and a wannabe authoritarian. If that’s what we are going to have, we might as well have Obama back. At least the Kennedy Center Honors would still be on tv for those who like to watch that.

  28. That’s interesting.

    You don’t think a “real” conservative would have made the repeal of Obamacare issue numero uno?Thats actually funny.Conservatives have been railing against that for years.Indeed the entire Republican Party has.So a “real” conservative would not have eh?Laughable.

    And a “real” conservative wouldn’t be proposing a tax “reform” whose major beneficiaries will be the wealthy and giant corporations.You know like Reagan and the Bushes?Once again that is funny.

    I would go on but I no longer find this even serious.

    Everyone here knows of your “unbridled hatred” of the Democratic Party(I mean if we are going to toss terms like the “Devil” around I can play too.)

    Actually though this gets tiring.

    As to your assertion that you were just talking about “them” (Limbaugh, populists and well whatever),it is plainly (and painfully) obvious that you are also talking about yourself.I have sympathized with your plight as a true believing Republican who,due to its present leadership ” finds himself essentially adrift from that which has vigorously supported through the years.Indeed you have essentially conceded that.

    And while we both enjoy a little back and forth here several times a week,your real argument is more with those who call themselves Republicans than it is with me.

    I’m no conservative.Dont claim to be.Almost all Republicans though claim to be and apparently they think Donald Trump is one of them.

    Perhaps your time would be better spent trying to convince them that he’s not.

  29. Repeal Obamacare? Well, they couldn’t get it done, (you said governance not campaign rhetoric) so if anything I would have expected a real conservative to get it done. I also think a moderate would have attempted to at least fix it as well.

    Tax reform hasn’t been done either so I don’t know what will happen. I hope something could get done that I like. I know he has talked about raising taxes and has of course proposed massive spending increases.

  30. “Them” are the people who like Trump. If you think I am among them, I really don’t know what the point of any of us this discussion is.

    I am telling you though that Republicans do not consider Trump a conservative and conservatives do not consider Trump a conservative. The ones that I have the issue with are the ones who like him and do not care. Even if I thought Trump was a conservative, I would not like him, because he is a disgrace of a person.

  31. Open up the comment section here with Trumpists and I will tell them all this too. (I had some interesting conversations with friends over the weekend who I had not seen or not discussed politics with in at least the past year who are among those who voted for Trump with reservations and conversing with them can be about as frustrating as it gets.)

    But yeah, I would have plenty to say the Trumpists here if they were around. Most of the time I cannot even decipher what the hell Manila is talking about though.

  32. Yeah that’s why they voted for him.

    You can no more “speak” for conservatives than I can “speak” for liberals”(or Republicans for that matter ) which,at various times,you have claimed”not to be much of.”

    Once again, your “argument” (if that’s what it be) is with your fellow Republicans ,if you are one today,not me.

    However ,if your analysis above is correct then it seems to me that the current definition of “conservative ” seems to be”anti media and anti Democrat” and since Trump fits both definitions ?Thats good enough or maybe he’s just an “adopted” one as James would say.

    Have a nice evening.

  33. The definition of who and what the GOP IS is not getting old…..
    There is the Republican voters, conservative ‘s, Republican law makers , moderate Republicans, etc….

  34. There are those who see Republican’s
    As one monolithic group….
    Like Democrat’s ?
    There is no such thing….

  35. Trumpist are free to visit this place anytime…
    I’m sure Jack and Keith would enjoy the challenge …..
    No crazies need apply….

  36. Jeff Jacoby, the conservative columnist for The Boston Globe today:

    “….
    “ What happened on Saturday was both impressive and distressing.

    “ A massive counterprotest, 40,000 strong, showed up to denounce a nonexistent cohort of racists. Boston deployed hundreds of police officers, who did an admirable job of maintaining order. Some of the counterprotesters screamed, cursed, or acted like thugs — at one point the Boston Police Department warned protesters “to refrain from throwing urine, bottles, and other harmful projectiles” — but most behaved appropriately. Though a few dozen punks were arrested, nobody was seriously hurt.

    “ But free speech took a beating.

    “ The speakers on the Common bandstand were kept from being heard. They were blocked off with a 225-foot buffer zone, segregated beyond earshot. Police barred anyone from approaching to hear what the rally speakers had to say. Reporters were excluded, too.

    “ Result? The free-speech rally took place in a virtual cone of silence. Participants “spoke essentially to themselves for about 50 minutes,” the Globe reported. “If any of them said anything provocative, the massive crowd did not hear it.”

    “ Even some of the rally’s own would-be attendees were kept from the bandstand. Yet when Police Commissioner Bill Evans was asked at a press conference Saturday afternoon whether it was right to treat them that way, he was unapologetic. “You know what,” he said, “if they didn’t get in, that’s a good thing, because their message isn’t what we want to hear.”

    “ No, Commissioner Evans. It was not a “good thing” that people with a right to speak were effectively silenced by the operations of the police. The ralliers did nothing wrong. They followed the city’s rules. They absorbed the slanders flung at them by the mayor and others. They didn’t try to shut their critics down, and they weren’t the ones hurling “urine, bottles, and other harmful projectiles.”

    “ All they were guilty of was attempting to defend the importance of free speech. For that, they were unjustly smeared as Nazis and their own freedom of speech was mauled….”

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2017/08/21/free-speech-rally-minus-free-speech/vymrZBl1NLtz04oW2IBpKK/story.html

  37. Hundreds of cops to be in SF, Berkeley to police right-wing rallies

    By Lizzie Johnson and Kurtis Alexander
    The San Francisco Chronicle

    Authorities in San Francisco and Berkeley are planning a large show of force this weekend at two right-wing rallies, enlisting hundreds of officers each day in a bid to prevent violence from erupting in the wake of the killing of an antiracism protester in Charlottesville, Va.

    While urging people to stay home, officials on both sides of the bay said Tuesday that they were boosting staffing and bringing in outside help to ensure order among what could be dueling crowds at Saturday’s Patriot Prayer rally at Crissy Field and Sunday’s No Marxism in America event at Berkeley’s Civic Center Park.

    The San Francisco Police Department said all available officers would be on the job, with overtime shifts required.

    The rallies, together billed as Liberty Weekend in the Bay Area, are expected to be magnets for far-right extremists, and authorities have expressed fear that confrontations between them and counterprotesters could escalate into the sort of bloody, video-recorded skirmishes seen in Charlottesville on Aug. 12, in Berkeley earlier this year and in Sacramento last summer.

    Police in Berkeley and beyond have been criticized at times for not doing enough to head off the violence, and have worked to improve their strategies. The idea behind using hundreds of officers, said Bay Area officials and law enforcement experts, is to maintain the ability to separate people who may clash, while not having to resort to heavy use of force….

    http://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/Hundreds-of-cops-to-descend-on-San-Francisco-11951203.php

  38. Let them speak to themselves. They have no Constitutional right to be heard.

    Speech should not ever be met with violence, but if people want to show up to shout down and outnumber Nazis or the Klan, I think that is a good thing. It’s what should be expected actually.

  39. Also, clearly distinctions must and can be made between Nazis and their allies and others who fall into a “right-wing” spectrum.

    There is nothing about a Tea Party rally or a pro-Trump rally that should be equated with the groups that organized and participated in Charlottesville.

  40. Biggest political gift of the month to Trump?

    ESPN pulled a broadcaster named Robert Lee from calling a football game at the University of Virginia. He is an Asian-American guy.

    It’s the most ridiculous example of political correctness I can ever recall.

  41. The Free Speech Coalition that rallied on Saturday wasn’t a bunch of white supremacists, but a varied group (not all of whom were right wing).

    They’d scrubbed a couple of alt-right (or worse) speakers, such as Augustus Invictus, last week.

    I didn’t believe in shouting down Jeanne Kirkpatrick in Berkeley or Ray Kelly at Brown (probably by non-Brown folks from the community).

    I’m surprised that CG does believe that shouting down speakers is OK.

    (I’m not talking about spontaneous reactions — it would hardly be victimization if Donald Trump’s , or for that matter Al Sharpton’s, inflammatory lies caused a spontaneous shout-down — but deciding ahead of time that what you haven’t yet heard deserves to be drowned out.)

  42. I was specifically referencing the Nazi or white supremacists.

    Yes, the violent and anti-speech Antifa movement is clearly a problem, as the Trump defenders insist we acknowledge.

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