Donald Trump is at it AGAIN…Open Thread for August 11, 2017…

This time it’s the North Korea’s…

If ya haven’t noticed by now?

This is TYPICAL Trump….

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With the Media breathlessly reporting EVERY utterance…..(which scares most people, but gets eaten up by his base)

Donald Trump is on center stage throwing haymakers at SOMEBODY….

During the campaign last year it was his adopted parties other candidates…and few judges…

Then it was Hillary Clinton…

Then it was the FBI Director which he fired….

Recently it ‘s been his own Republicans…

Briefed that the North Korea’s won’t actually fire anything AT America and now say they’ll think about Guam?

Trump has the green light to beat his chest and be that guy that gets in your face knowing that he’s got his posse standing behind him and there isn’t gonna be a fight….

Update….

Turns out that the US and North Korea HAVE BEEN talking for months…

Beyond the bluster, the Trump administration has been quietly engaged in back channel diplomacy with North Korea for several months, addressing Americans imprisoned in the communist country and deteriorating relations between the long-time foes, The Associated Press has learned.

It had been known the two sides had discussions to secure the June release of an American university student. But it wasn’t known until now that the contacts have continued, or that they have broached matters other than U.S. detainees.

People familiar with the contacts say the interactions have done nothing thus far to quell tensions over North Korea’s nuclear weapons and missile advances, which are now fueling fears of military confrontation. But they say the behind-the-scenes discussions could still be a foundation for more serious negotiation…

More…

In addition?

The US and Allies will hold annual military drills with the South Korea military that the North Korea’s have always been uncomfortable with….

image…cnn.com

Keith
Guest
So, no lunch then!?? But, you have all these questions? Not sure why you don’t want to join me, you have spent so much time researching me, going back 30 years. I would think you would want to meet your research project in-person. And, I am willing to answer all your questions, just over a lunch table, not electronically so they might then clog my clients mailboxes. Not sure why you have this obsession with me, but I must agree with James, it has gotten… Read more »
CG
Guest

Whatever I posted was under my own name/handle here and was only done as a counter to extreme judgments against others and outright hypocrisy on issues, but yeah, if someone actually had a notion they had a “stalker”, asking them to meet would be pretty unwise for anyone.

Scott p
Guest

Actually agreeing to meet someone in person in public is far less stalkerish than going back 30 years and posting stuff anonymously.
Just my opinion.

CG
Guest
No, I don’t need to meet with you. Sounds stalkerish, but thanks, I guess. We could always have civil conversations here if that is something you think you could be capable of. You can ask me anything you want here about my political activity/voting history. I have nothing to hide. I’ve never worked in the public sector and have never remotely been in trouble with the law. I would also vote for Charlie Baker against Trump. Maybe you can ask him to run as an… Read more »
Keith
Guest
Shall we stop this silly Kabuki dance? Anyone who posted the volume of information that you have about me qualifies as a stalker. The fact that you are trying to defend your actions is silly, and your deflections sophomoric. Here is the difference between you and me. I personally know and have actually worked with the Republicans I have supported. And here is another Republican I have both supported financially and might even vote for if he ran for President – Charlie Baker. But I… Read more »
CG
Guest
I’m not your stalker, but I do know the organization you speak of and they almost always support Democrats. That was before your foray into Machine politics in Chicago and all the racial and illegal activities you got in trouble with there, so I have been curious how the transformation came about. Maybe it was indeed just about the money and you regretted it at the time, just like you might regret so much of the stuff you say online, but I may be overly… Read more »
Keith
Guest
Of course I have voted for, and will most likely in the future vote for worthy Republicans. Both my husband and I always split our tickets. For the most part because we aren’t so narrow that we don’t believe a Republican can be a competent public servant. In Illinois I supported lots of Republicans, but they were moderate Republicans like Percy, Thompson and George Ryan (the best “Democratic” Governor that Illinois ever had, before he went to jail of course). And I have voted for… Read more »
CG
Guest

The claim that Keith “still votes for Republicans” is right up there with Trump claiming that he always gets all the facts before making statements.

CG
Guest

Mueller is a great Republican and a distinguished patriot.

Keith
Guest
Not style, points, but at least these cowards could use Trump’s name when they “denounce white supremacy.” Beautiful day here, the harvest is about to begin, and I need to get my run in. I did buy “It’s Mueller Time” t-shirts for my running partners. And, my pacifist husband wants to go into San Francisco (a week from this Saturday) to confront the Neo-Nazis (I wonder how many College Republicans will be in this crowd like the “Tiki Torch guys” in Charlottesville). We should have… Read more »
My Name Is jack
Guest

I thought The Atlantic had a good take and the Trump presidency and his Republican critics,

“He speaks, they criticize and everybody waits a few days to do it all very again.”

CG
Guest

It’s just kind of funny that we now have to insist on “style points” for disagreeing with Trump. Isn’t “saying his name” what he wants?

This kind of back and forth is only something that political animals (like us) care about and it just makes Trump’s critics (which I very much consider myself one of) look like whiners and chumps.

CG
Guest

There’s a long list. If I cut and pasted each Tweet into here, one by one it would be annoying for all.

But if that’s what you really want….

By the way Keith, do you take responsibility for your own racist comments?

Keith
Guest

No many have not, and twitter permits the use of Trump’s name.

Putting all the whataboutism aside, meaning one misguided Democratic state legislator, what Republicans in Congress have been critical of Trump for his racist comments?

CG
Guest
Many have called him out by name. With Congress in recess, the most realistic avenue they have to do that is through Twitter, etc. But even those that call him out by name are not good enough for some. What is it they have to do? The bottom line is that some partisans just want every Republican out of office, no matter what, and are only focused on that. They embrace racial strife. Thank you though for calling out the horrible post by the State… Read more »
Scott p
Guest

“Taking issue” with how Trump spoke but refusing to call him out by name is indeed cowardly.

Scott p
Guest

A Democratic Missouri state senator Maria Chappal Nadal, posted on Facebook earlier today that she “hoped” Trump was assassinated. She later took it down. I didn’t care for her before this –she was quite the grandstander during the Ferguson affair here in 2014.
Now I think she should resign her office. She is unfit. As is our current President who should also resign for different reasons.
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CG
Guest
Morality= going on cable talk shows Congress is on recess. It might be more moral for them to be spending time at home with their families, or meeting with constituents and working on their issues. Just about every Republican has taken issue with how Trump spoke. If someone in the party tries to defend him, they should be called on that, but as we see nobody is really doing it. Nothing they could say or do would ever be good enough for some. They don’t… Read more »
Keith
Guest

And if they all don’t support him, why weren’t they willing to go on the air and explain why?

You often miss the obvious James, especially when you are feebly trying to defend one of those “opinions” you quickly pull out of backside.

They are moral cowards, and that is worse. It takes courage to have convictions. No profiles in courage here, and that was the point of my post.

My Name Is jack
Guest

You’re not getting me going James.

So you think they are moral cowards eh?

That’s actually as bad as supporting him to me.

Keith
Guest
Yes, very well said Jack, and very true. Chuck Todd said yesterday that his show “booker” (something that I did for political guests for a PBS show years ago) asked 72 Republicans to come on Meet the Press and discuss the Charlottesville situation. They got 72 declines. A politician was always my easiest “get” when I did that job, very strange that everyone was previously engaged. Nope, they may still approve of Trump, but they don’t want to discuss him.
Scott p
Guest

A new CBS poll shows 67% of Republicans approve of Trump’s response to Charlottesville. Looks like the “adopted” Republican is nowhere close to being disowned by this family.

Scott p
Guest

Well said Jack.

My Name Is jack
Guest
With tongue in cheek,I suggested yesterday that the leadership of the Republican Party ask Trump to quit the party. Actually ,maybe they should, if they really believe he is sympathetic to White Supremacists and Nazis. Since we’ve heard here and elsewhere that he isn’t “really” a Republican,Heres the chance.If they “really” believe that Trump doesn’t represent their party,ask him to leave,censure him,I mean there are lots of things they can do. For now,except for a very few,they mostly seem content to scold him like a… Read more »
Keith
Guest
So far only a small minority of Republican Members of Congress have condemned Trump at this point over his racist diatribe on Tuesday. The big names are Cruz, Rubio, and Graham (what would they be running for in 2020?). After them, not so much. There are almost 300 Republicans in Congress, please get back to me when the number that reference Trump specifically over this horrible situation reaches a majority of the combined caucus. Why argue about who is or isn’t a heavyweight when the… Read more »
CG
Guest
I don’t know who counts as a “heavyweight.” McConnell and Ryan have not mentioned him by name, as I think they should, but it’s pretty clear who they are talking about in their statements. Otherwise, a slew of Republican Members of Congress and Governors have been releasing statements, mentioning Trump by name or referring specifically to his office. Here in Illinois, Governor Rauner, who has a ton of political problems of his own, and who has gone to great lengths to avoid ever mentioning Trump’s… Read more »
Keith
Guest

I agree Scott, the Republicans are silent. Shameful, and the Marist Poll tells us the GOP base is still with the Republican President.

Scott p
Guest

Why aren’t elected Republicans callong out Trump by name? McConnell and Ryan are still wussing out. Until we see an actual rebuke by GOP heavyweights in Congress or the cabinet the Republicans are now the party of Nazi apologists by proxy.

Democratic Socialist Dave
Guest
As one who once contemplated seeking to overturn the Cook County Democratic machine’s unchallenged one-party stranglehold on Animal Control at the polls, CG might appreciate this paragraph from Holman Jenkins’ column in Wednesday’s Wall Street Journal “If the president or a scraggly someone close to him in the West Wing is soft on white supremacists because he thinks these groups are a vital bloc, this would be the miscalculation of the century. Their adherents couldn’t swing a race for dogcatcher. It is precisely the left’s… Read more »
CG
Guest

I’ve never heard anybody muse before what would have happened if LBJ would have been re-nominated in 1968 (seeking a quasi third term).

Nixon would have won a landslide is the most likely result.

CG
Guest

“Early on” when?

Certainly, not seven months into office. This is supposed to be the “Honeymoon.”

At this point in his term, Trump easily has the least political support for reelection inside his party than any President in modern history, or perhaps ever. Still, unless there is a far more dramatic erosion, it would be theoretically extremely hard to dislodge him through the primary process.

Keith
Guest

You missed the point as usual, Carter got his nomination against a Kennedy after trailing in the polls early on, and Johnson would have been renominated if he had stayed in the race.

The general election is irrelevant given this was a primary poll about who would be the nominee. You do understand that right?

Keith
Guest

Suggestion James, the new thread should focus on the silence of elected Republicans in being critical of Trump’s pro-Nazi comments.

Keith
Guest
The Marist Poll shows that Trump is in good shape with his base at this point. For those who claim this doesn’t bode well for Trump, I invite them to look at where both Carter and Johnson stood with their primary electorate during their terms in office. At various points in time both Presidents were running behind their respective challengers in early polls. Now, every situation is distinct, but it is clear Trump speaks to the Republican base. Clearly after yesterday the base still loves… Read more »
Democratic Socialist Dave
Guest

At nearly 100 comments, James, it’s probably time for a new Open Thread.

(Q. How do you pass an open thread through the eye of an open needle ?)

CG
Guest

You’re losing me. Is there a microchip malfunction in the pdog3000? I am not sure what those “points” have to do with me or how they relate to each other.

CG
Guest

It says something bad about them if they HAVE to check in with him.

There are a ton of comparisons that could be made between Trump and Sharpton though. Trump is unlikely to ever lose weight though.

CG
Guest

I want opposition to him on all fronts. Can’t put your eggs in one basket. As it relates to the primary though, if that is what happens, someone is going to have to “take one for the team.” It logistically cannot be the same person.

My Name Is jack
Guest

Well,if you think that Trump is already approaching the level that he is vulnerable to a primary challenge,

Why would you advocate aThird party challenge where the odds of victory(despite your ,in my view ,way too optimistic view of such) are very small?

CG
Guest

Trump at just 64% in his own party primary as an incumbent, less than seven months after taking office, is actually pretty terrible politically for him or any President.

And against Pence, he’s only up 56-33. Even worse. I wonder if he will Tweet that out though to mock Pence.

CG
Guest
In regards to the Marist Poll, there is no other President in modern history who would have such a low number in a primary, especially during their first year in office. But as I have repeatedly said, if Trump runs for reelection, as a Republican, while I definitely would expect him to have an opponent and support them, the smartest strategic move, by the person who could do best in a general election, is to plan early for a third party/Independent bid. It obviously would… Read more »
My Name Is jack
Guest

Trumps disapprovals among Republicans needs to drop another twenty to thirty points before it can be said that a serious primary challenge by Kasich or anyone else could be viable.

Scott p
Guest

New Maris poll shows in a hypothetical matchup Trump would crush Kasich 64 to 23% among Republican and Republican leaning voters
I exspect CG to be very defensive upon hearing this.

My Name Is jack
Guest

mega dittoes

(Ouch!)

Scott p
Guest

I have no idea what goes on inside Trump’s mind but if he thought acting like a right wing Republican on his best days and a neo Nazi apologist on his worst would make him popular with Democrats he is pretty damn dumb!

CG
Guest

At this point if he does something to lose those on the right who support him almost solely because of judges, he really will be left with virtually nobody. He’s boxed in.

I bet he thought that he would be a lot more popular and that Democrats would come to love him by now.

My Name Is jack
Guest
Trump has been uniformly picking conservative judges for the lower federal courts too,,not even going through the courtesy consultation with home state Democrats.Im not surprised by that. Most Republicans ,as well as others ,don’t understand or at least don’t want to understand that courts and particularly the Supreme Court are inherently little “c” conservative institutions .In other words ,for the most part, they move slowly ,while many Republicans are looking for quicker, dramatic changes. Then there is the interesting conundrum of the internal battle between… Read more »
CG
Guest
Trump fans tend to hate the Supreme Court picks of Republican Presidents. It is true that a few of them did not at all work out the way the GOP Presidents intended, but take John Roberts, whom almost always sides with conservatives on the court, but he voted one way on the Obamacare case, and that’s all people remember or care about. Trump and his fans used John Roberts as a weapon during the primaries. Ted Cruz was attacked for writing in favor of Roberts… Read more »
Scott p
Guest

When it comes to social issues conservatives have been shown to be losers in the long term on every issue no matter how many elections they win. So they blame the Supreme Court, save their occasional idols like the late Antonin Scalia island Silent Clar Thomas