Day by Day it becomes evident that Russia has had an extensive campaign to steer Trump & Co. their way….

As one learns of the extensive contacts by the Russian Ambassador with Trump Admin and Trump friends and advisors you begin to get a picture of what’s at work here….

It is NORMAL for Ambassadors of foreign countries to interact with the people of the country try they are assigned to….

The Russian’s do it…

The Brit’s do it…

American’s do it…..

Chinese do it…..

But there is one caution …..

The political arm of the Russian Government seeks to manipulate more strongly than most if not all of the other countries collectively….

It is a well know fact that the Russian President was NOT happy with actions taken By American President Obama….Furthermore ?

Sec of State Hillary Clinton, who worked for Obama , was well know to Putin as someone who would continue Obama’s Foreign Policy against Russia….

It no wonder that what seems to be a Russian campaign to tip the American election to Donald Trump was taken….

It is now becoming evident that the scope of the Russian efforts to ingratiate themselves to the Trump people was MUCH..MUCH larger and complex than anyone except the FBI/CIA and NSA knew…

The problem maybe that the Trump people where NOT smart enough to realize what was going on and the ramifications of their contacts…..

Donald Trump seems to have swallowed the bait….Trying to advance Russian interests against a wall of resistance from those in the government who have NOT forgotten that Russian President Putin is NOT someone that an American President should relax about…..

As the pieces of the puzzle begin to become public?

Things seem a bit unnerving that Republicans are turning a blind eye to this to protect Trump & Co. even if the guy is their adopted meal ticket….

To some of us?

The Russian action worries are bigger than blind loyalty to Trump….

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93 thoughts on “Day by Day it becomes evident that Russia has had an extensive campaign to steer Trump & Co. their way….”

  1. Blame the voters and the campaign you supported then, beyond letting it happen, just as I blame the campaign that won for welcoming the reality of any of it. Certainly blame all the voices on the left who before all this had been very pro-Wikileaks, pro-Assange, Snowden, Manning, etc. I definitely hold nothing but contempt for anyone on the right who did or who now embraced Wikileaks.

    But if Democrats talk publicly that the election was stolen or fixed or anything like that, it just plays into Trump’s hands and lets him play the sore loser card.

  2. Obama commuting Manning’s sentence should anger anyone who backed Hillary Clinton and who feel that Wikileaks contributed to her defeat. It was a real bad move by Obama in his final days, and a lot of Democrats were willing to admit it.

  3. In response to Scott yesterday you claimed the case would be difficult to make that Trumps margin could have been accounted for by bigoted voters(presumably you equate a vote for Obama as proof that someone isn’t bigoted).

    Now,you concede above that one could vote for Obama in the past but still be a bigot.

    That was my only point.

    That given the small margin there are any number of things that could have accounted for Clintons narrow lose in the three states that cost her the election.

    It’s really rather simple.Yes, bigoted voters who may, or may not , have voted for Obama at one time were aroused by the inflammatory rhetoric of the bigoted Republican presidential candidate,blaming various”other people” for their loss of jobs,rising crime, etc etc and cast a vote for him and thus cost Clinton the election.

    What’s the big deal?

    You just can NEVER concede that simple bigotry could elect a Republican, even one you detest like Trump.

  4. If they voted for Obama, they must not have been all that bigoted. I don’t see the relevance. It might just be that Obama was able to appeal to them in a way that Clinton did not. (in 2015, when people here were saying that Clinton would wind up doing a lot better with white voters than Obama did, I did not buy that an I said she would have serious general election problems. I do believe that gender is a tougher thing to overcome than race and that even die-hard members of the Obama coalition, women included, might have a hard time voting for a woman to be President)

    I think people who decided to vote for Obama in the past were wrong and people who decided to vote for Trump are wrong. But that’s their right as an American.

    You are seeming to say they are bigots who were in remission but were awakened. I don’t know how you can read what is in someone’s heart in such a blanket way. I find it an odd theory that they were willing to be be cool with an actual black guy and would wait to unleash their racism on the white person who tried to succeed him. The bottom line is that they had voted for Democrats very recently and other than the Presidential race were still voting for Democrats.

    Whether Trump voters were bigots or not, and I try to think the best of people, they had all made the determination that bigotry was something that could be excused or overlooked for other factors, and that is what I have a problem with.

  5. Or we could just blame all the Republicans who nominated this nutlob ,then elected him President.

    Despite all this micro analysis of Michigan , Pa, and Wisconsin ,there is one thing that’s definitely true.

    The VAST majority of Republicans voted for Donald Trump.

    The VAST majority of Democrats didn’t.

    I still find your position here fascinating .The classic,”yeah, but” defense.

    “Yeah “the Republicans elected this clown “but” DAMN you Democrats should have stoped them but, since you didn’t, I’ll spend my time criticizing you, while,in effect, ignoring the real culprits because, well, I’m a Republican.

  6. I already blame them. And I blame the Democrats for being who they are, which makes them completely unacceptable to me and many others like me (I wish there would have been a Democrat I would have been able to vote for against Trump, just as a protest, but while they exist, they aren’t anyone who can ever actually get the party’s nomination.)

    You say I am “at war with myself.” Since I dislike how over 94 percent of how voters voted, it’s more like I am “at war” with everyone else.

  7. Now you’re engaging in some kind of pop psychology.

    I reiterate for the nth time.

    This minor margin ,which you continue to ignore,could have been accounted for by any number of issues including ,yes, simple bigotry.

    Clinton lost the election .Accordingly ,there’s no denying she was a poorer candidate than Obama.That is self evident.

    I’ll leave attempts to peer into the mindset of those whose vote to you.

  8. I understand why you people voted for Hillary, especially if you decided you actually like her, and I don’t begrudge you for doing so. I easily considered him to be the worse and more dangerous of “two evils.”

    But just being a hyper-partisan and not understanding what all the factors are that lead to a result are not going to do anything to improve anything. I would say that to either party. As a Republican, to whatever extent I currently am, I am willing to do that and call the party out for what is wrong. Democrats need to understand the issues and problems with their party and why they have been failing at the polls so badly in recent years. It’s not solely because 46% of the country are racist or that there are suddenly more racists than they were in 2012, 2008, etc etc.

  9. If you think bigotry is the only issue that switched the small amount of voters in those handful of states, you can think that, but it means that those who had twice voted for Obama and who voted for Democrats are the bigots. If so, they are odd bigots to vote to elect the nation’s first black President and then turned against a white candidate.

    You then say she was a poorer candidate than Obama. That’s really all that needs to be said. It’s hard enough for a party to win a third term, as I said a thousand times on here back in 2015, even if the incumbent was able to improve his job approval numbers,.

  10. Ii could of course say the same thing about the millions who voted for Romney in 2012 and then voted for Trump in 2016.

    I don’t believe Mitt Romney was a bigot.I believe a lot of people who voted for him were.

    Those people in 2016 voted for Trump, a real bigot.

  11. Oh boy here we go, the Romney people ran a campaign based on the old fashioned Republican racial code words. Trump threw the code words aside and went full racist. Given Mitt’s ability to flip flop I am sure, if he knew that was the winning message, he would have gone there.

    The problem he is simply too awkward to pull something like that off.

  12. Tell us those “code words”

    And then we can compare them to what you said publicly about Harold Washington in the 80s.

  13. His campaign Chair said that “he wished Obama would learn how to be an American,” and accused the President of “shucking and jiving” at another point in time.

    This racist rhetoric lead to the assent of Donald Trump. The Republican Party needs to own up to and correct this mistake.

  14. Is that else? Was that Sununu who had some honorary title with the campaign in NH? Was he maybe just speaking on his own? The words he used were wrong and we don’t see the context. Are there other examples? What did Mitt himself say that was racist?

    Why did you say that future Congressman Luis Guitierrez was a gangbanger?

  15. Do you know who else used the term “shucking and jiving” in reference to Obama?

    Andrew Cuomo, when he was campaigning for Hillary in 2008. He must have been making a racist appeal too.

    I think politicians sometimes say really dumb things without thinking.

  16. In fact politicians DO use whatever they can to get votes…

    To appeal to different voters blocs….

    Trump has used a wall and ban….

    Obama used Change…

    Clinton used together…

    Yes ….Politicans say dumb things…

    But they ARE nevertheless aiming for specific votes…

    And we KNOW unfortunately that NEGATIVE campaigning often works better ….

    A LOT of Trump supporters where afraid of the push Obama made to bring the country into the 21st Century…

    Trump used that fear every chance he could…

    After getting the job and losing the vote?

    He still seems to resort to those things to boost his feelings that he can still connect with that 35 to 40% of Americans that gave him the job…

    It will NOT stop the Drip…Drip…DRIP…..

    BTW?

    We ALL have our own biases…

    It is the way humans operate….

  17. I am talking racial code words James, many delivered very in-artfully by the Romney campaign.

    A campaign that was the precursor to Trump’s campaign.

    The Republicans created Trump, and he may help be the end of them. At least we can hope!!

  18. Who else besides Sununu used them on behalf of the Romney campaign?

    You gave half of one example, and not a very good one, since a nationally prominent Democrat used the exact same language first. Based on your own documented past in race-based politics, you are not the best person to pass judgment on this. You should at least own up to an unfortunate past. Maybe you were asked by your bosses in the ’80s to say things or write things that you now regret.

    Who are the “many”? What did Romney himself say that was racist? Nobody here but you believes Mitt Romney is racist.

    And nobody involved with the “Trump Movement” would say that Romney was any kind of precursor. They viewed Romney and his campaign as the antithesis of what they wanted to do.

  19. I am just hoping for some good entertainment tonight from SNL with the Russian Connections, Spicer, Sessions, etc…should be funny watching them mock a shit show…

    I will say this though, with all this nonsense about the Russians and every other fucking thing this guys does, we ain’t really touching any real issues like bringing down healthcare costs and revamping Obamacare…which needs to be fixed…but kept in place…

  20. Oh those examples were just off the top of my head, I can come up with lots more.

    But of course the Romney campaign set the stage for Trump’s rise. First the base was anxious after how awkward and inept Romney was at delivering his anti-Obama, anti-other, campaign that they wanted red meat. But, Romney did, with his campaign’s I wish Obama would learn how to be an American line, bring back the birther issue front and center.

    Trump should have at least treated him better over that instead of humiliating old Mitt.

  21. Not NONSENSE….

    And your comment is echoed by other GOPer’s who want get to the business of cutting money from Democratic supported programs!

  22. Trump NEVER got over Obama dissing him at that WH Correspondent Dinner!
    He ain’t going this year, eh?

  23. But the bottom line, this was, and many ways still is about race (and of course gender). The Republican base is very happy to have an old white man back in the White House.

    The Romney campaign, with help from Trump, branded Obama as “other” and, of course used the “he’s lazy” line over and over through out the 2012 campaign.

    The word that usually follows lazy is “shiftless” and these words were used to maximize white male turnout. Trump succeeded at this, Romney failed.

    What does this say about the Republican Party?

  24. Former Trump Adviser Roger Stone Admits Collusion With WikiLeaks, Then Deletes It

    Roger Stone, a confidant to President Donald Trump and former adviser to his campaign, acknowledged late Saturday that he had a “back channel” to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, amid mounting reports that multiple advisers to Trump’s campaign had undisclosed communication with Russian officials….

    More @ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/roger-stone-donald-trump-julian-assange_us_58bc24cae4b0d2821b4ec16c?

  25. Every pundit crackwhore ( or crackwhore pundit) is looking for attention.

    Lies are a way of making a living.

  26. And Manila?

    Would you NOT include Donald J.Trump on the line of those SEEKING ATTENTION??????

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