What did Trump KNOW and When Did he know it?…Open Thread for Feb. 14, 2017…

Why did the head of The National Security Council go on for three weeks  in office after making phone call’s with Russian’s BEFORE Donald Trump actually was sworn in?

Why didn’t the people in the White House?…..and The President?….Act after being told by the Department of Justice that Flynn did talk to the Russians  about a possible deal on sanctions?

Why was the Vice President deceived?

Was Mike Flynn acting on his own?

Or was he just the messenger for others in Trump & Co.?

There are things that ARE going on in the background that seems unsettling ….(And why do we have a President at odds with his Intelligence Community?)

And more than ANYTHING?


How long can Donald Trump last in office ?


David Petraeus CAN be given the job if Trump pardons him and is will to take the heat in the media over his past indescreations…

But there are other names in the mix….

Above ALL?

This is puts Defense Sec Mattis as the top National Sec guy in the room…..

108 thoughts on “What did Trump KNOW and When Did he know it?…Open Thread for Feb. 14, 2017…”

  1. I didn’t agree with you.

    Once again,shows you TOTAL lack of reading comprehension.

    Since Trumps inauguration you have been insinuating that Republicans were going to turn on him.My point is TOTALLY different and has NOTHING to do with your apparent belief that these Republicans have “principles.”

    Their “principles” are directly related to poll numbers .Their “turn”on Trump will occur If and when his approval numbers among Republicans drop.Your insinuation has been that they will turn out on him over ISSUES even though his issue stands so far are standard Right Wing Republican.As usual, you simply fail to explain any of this,contenting yourself with mere declaratory statements.

    Further my statement that there would be the usual disagreements upon specific matters among individual members and the President has NO relationship to your declarations that the Republican Party in Congress will turn en masse against the President.

    You simply don’t understand the desire for power to effect radical,extremist change inherent in today’s Republican Party.Trump gives them that power.They will think long and HARD before letting such go and your apparent belief that their “conservative values” have anything to do with anything is amusingly quaint.

        1. …twitter….

          Van Jones Retweeted
          On Donald Trump’s #DebateNight performance, @VanJones68 quotes @llcoolj: “He lied about the lies that he lied about”

  2. The actual number of recorded roll-call votes for the Senate in this session of Congress is just over 70.

    ¶ By the way, James, since this open thread is already over the C mark, I think it’s time to start a new one.

    1. New Thread will be up soon….

      So MOST of the votes that the GOPer’s made had NOTHING to do with siding with Trump, eh?

  3. RepubliCAN ,SE and ,to a lesser extent Brandon ,were generally Republican.

    All three likely are in somewhat the position of CG ,except they have little to say about Trump .While possibly supporting some of his policies and Cabinet and Court picks ,they feel embarrassed by his conduct as President so are just avoiding discussing it.

  4. James wants to “believe” that Republicans really Don’t support Trump when all the polls show the opposite.

    Indeed, CNN(which has become Trumps bete noir)Shows his support among self described Republicans at an astronomical 90%.

    With numbers like that few ,if any, Republican policians are going to take him on.Note that most of the verbal blowback is coming from McCain who is in the twilight of his political career with nothing to lose.

    They are certainly embarrassed by his crazy behavior and likely wish he wasn’t in the White House(preferring probably any other Republican) but his appointments and his policies ,so far at least ,they can easily support.

    For sure ,in the future ,there will likely be run ins ,as there are among President and Congresspeople of the same party in every administration .

  5. Once again you type to type, comeback when they actually oppose him on something.

    This is getting a lot like the “Bernie Sanders made Hillary a better candidate” memes.

    1. None of them where expected to knock cabinet picks…
      DSD can research this….
      Voting against Presidential cabinet picks are RARE….
      Wait untill the voting on the budget…

      And while the voting record is what it is on less that 15 things?
      Republicans HAVE let Trump know that other things won’t fly….
      Example is Obamacare which is moving VERY Slowly if at all….
      There are concerns on taxes and budget….

      It’s gonna get interesting…
      Congress is gonn ahve Cover their own butts away from Trump as they they alsready are doing on several issue’s…

    1. It should be also pointed out that there have been very few votes….

      I believe around 12….

      Nothiung big either…


  6. “I like where that reporter nailed Trump on his continuous lying about his electoral vote victory being the greatest since Reagan in 1984.

    Trump basically said he was simply”told” that.

    Yet he consistently labels factual information given by the news media as fake news.”

    Trump doesn’t lie.

    He is simply telling the fake news press to go chase themselves.

    Which they are doing.

        1. …twitter….
          Nate Silver
          I’ve noticed a fair amount of cherry-picking when it comes to Trump’s approval ratings. Polling averages have him at ~45%, not 38% or 39%.

          Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538
          How often GOP “mavericks” have voted with Trump so far:
          Graham: 100%
          Rubio: 100%
          McCain: 94%
          Paul: 90%

            1. For that manner…..

              Missing Teryy Green, Ill Brandon and Mac…..

              Long time NO hear….

              People move on….

  7. Text of the President’s statements on giving “relief” to the coal industry, by removing the Stream Protection rules, among other things:

    The White House
    Office of the Press Secretary
    For Immediate Release
    February 16, 2017

    President Trump: Putting Coal Country Back to Work

    LETTING COAL COUNTRY WORK AGAIN: Today, President Donald J. Trump signed legislation (House Joint Resolution 38) to stop the costly “Stream Protection Rule” from further harming coal workers and the communities that depend on them.

    H.J. Res. 38 blocks an overly burdensome regulation from harming the coal industry.
    • The regulation was expected to reduce coal production, leading to fewer coal jobs across the country.
    • The blocked regulation threatened the coal industry with millions of dollars in compliance costs.
    • Complying with the regulation would have put an unsustainable financial burden on small mines, most of which are in the Appalachian Basin.
    • The blocked regulation would have duplicated existing regulations already in place to protect Americans.

    GIVING COAL COUNTRY RELIEF: Since 2009, the coal industry has declined, leaving workers and communities without a lifeline.

    • Since January 2009, the coal mining industry has lost over 36,000 jobs without any relief in sight.
    • From 2009 to 2015, coal production declined by over 177,000,000 tons across the country.
    • From 2009 to 2015, over 600 coal mines closed.

    A PROMISE TO COAL WORKERS: Before President Trump’s inauguration, he promised coal workers he would support them and reverse the harmful actions of the past administration.

    • November 21, 2016, the Trump-Pence Transition Team pledged to “end the war on coal” and review harmful regulations created under the Obama Administration.
    • September 22, 2016, then-candidate Donald Trump called out harmful coal regulations: “I will rescind the coal mining lease moratorium, the excessive Interior Department stream rule, and conduct a top-down review of all anti-coal regulations issued by the Obama Administration.”
    • August 8, 2016, then-candidate Donald Trump pledged to the American people: “We will put our coal miners and steel workers back to work.”

    GETTING GOVERNMENT OUT OF THE WAY: President Trump has been steadfast in his commitment to reducing the regulatory burden on all Americans, their pocketbooks, and their businesses.

    • President Trump has required that for every new Federal regulation, two existing regulations be eliminated.
    • President Trump has placed a moratorium on all new regulations by executive departments and agencies that are not compelled by Congress or public safety.
    • President Trump directed the Commerce Department to streamline Federal permitting processes for domestic manufacturing and to reduce regulatory burdens on domestic manufacturers.
    • President Trump signed an Executive Order expediting the environmental review and approval processes for domestic infrastructure projects.
    • President Trump signed legislation to eliminate a costly regulation that threatened to put domestic extraction companies and their employees at an unfair disadvantage.
    • President Trump directed the Secretary of the Treasury to conduct a full review of the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act to ensure associated, burdensome regulations receive proper scrutiny.
    • President Trump ordered re-examination of the Department of Labor’s fiduciary rule, to make certain that it does not harm Americans as they save for retirement.


    ¶ At a 3:45 p.m. press briefing of 10 minutes (90 minutes after his major press conference had ended), the President appeared with a bipartisan group of Senators from, inter alia West Virginia, Kentucky and North Dakota, as well as working miners, as he signed the Congressionally-passed bill (HJR 38) removing the Stream Protection order.


  8. Politicalwire: LePage to Trump–The TV Show is Over

    Jesus, when the country’s most unhinged governor is calling you out it’s clear dysfunction.

    Trump won’t change though. He never did during the campaign and his die-hards don’t want him to.

    Now his margin of victory in the Electoral College came from those who gave him the benefit of the doubt that he might. But those voters aren’t calling the shots in the GOP

    1. Scott….

      My view on Trump is wait,..

      It isn’t the campaign

      Republican’s gonna be jumping in life boats in a while….
      Everyone for themselves

      1. ….Several White House staffers were given the boot Thursday because they didn’t pass FBI background checks, according to a report.

        Sources familiar with the matter told Politico that six employees were escorted from the White House by security because they failed to pass the SF86, a Questionnaire for National Security Positions used for security clearances….

        More @ http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/white-house-removes-6-staffers-failing-fbi-checks-report-article-1.2975039

  9. The leader of the Republican Party is safe because, as Jack points out, they House and Senate folks have no other option. Trump was talking to his crazy base today, and those folks will take revenge on any traitors.

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