Open Thread for July 17, 2016….President Obama is right on Iran…

I support President Obama’s efforts to deal with the Iranian nuclear bomb efforts……

For those who think the Presiodent wasn’t able to stop Iran’s moves across the Midddle East and North Africa….

You’rer wishing on a pipe dream….

America is has NO stomach for sending it’s young men and woman into a war against Iran….

It’s THAT simple….

The Sunni countries of the Midlle East and Africa will have to fight their own battle’s….

This President is NOT about spreading Democracy across the region, I suspect because he has come to understand that it simply does NOT work there….

I have no illusions that sometime in the future Iran WILL produce a bomb….

But Barack Obama will be able to say it did NOT happen on his watch….

I have said this before and I will repeat it….

The Israeli Prime Minoster needs to stop compalining about America…And find some sort of accomidation with the Arabs on his border….They and Israel have a common worry about Iran….

How soon people forget about America fighting wars it can’t win thousands of miles from home….

I believe that inn the end President Obama will get his deal from Congress….It will be somewhat sloppily in the process…But it will prevail….

Scott Lehigh in today’s Boston Globe:

…The real choice here is a diplomatic deal or military action. Those who favor a military strike should say so.

And they should then specify why military action now is preferable to embracing an agreement that will extend Iran’s breakout time — the period needed to make enough fissile material for one bomb — from several months to a year, and keep it there for at least a decade.

Further, those who insist on the complete dismantling of Iran’s nuclear infrastructure and assert that that’s achievable if we simply screw sanctions down tighter need to acknowledge two realities.

First, the US can’t unite the rest of the world around the idea that Iran isn’t entitled to a civilian (that is, power-generating) nuclear program. Under the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, Iran can claim a legal right to such a program.

What the major powers have been able to agree on is that Iran can’t have a nuclear bomb.

Further, as Obama and Kerry note, if Congress manages to scuttle this deal, we won’t get our negotiating partners to agree to tougher sanctions. Rather, they will abandon the sanctions regime. The net result would be less, not more, economic pressure on Iran…



Persia has been a regional power in what we now call the Midddle east for centuries….

There is no reason to think they would not want to do so again as America has done in the West…..

And this country too used arms to set up its creation…..

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115 thoughts on “Open Thread for July 17, 2016….President Obama is right on Iran…”

  1. Jeb Bush who is often referred to here as a “moderate,” says we néed of to “phase out” Medicare.

    Bush made the remark before the group,Americans For Prosperity,the Koch Brothers political group.

    Yeh, some “moderate.”

  2. Since you Republicans are opposed to any type of health care assistance ,what’s your point?

  3. And they CANNOT and will NOT do WHATEVER they want….

    Netanyahu is keely aware that for all posturing he needs the US to NOT be too pissed with him…

    Even his public was a little worried when things got sideways with Obama….

    Israel by it self , as mighty as everyone THINKS it is, does NOT need to subject its economy to a LONG protracted slugging match with Iran…(Even going into Lebanon was short events)

    Let’s all step back and take a reality check here…

  4. “Since you Republicans are opposed to any type of health care assistance ,what’s your point?”

    You don’t mean the GOP opposes the “kiss of life” too?

    Or do they oppose it only when performed by the same sex?

    Lets ask Rick Santorum.

  5. “Turkey agrees to let the U.S. military launch strikes against ISIS ”

    If Turkey attacks ISIS from behind, will Greece help?

  6. It appears that Manila may need to take advantage of the Obamacare mental health provisions. I am sure he will be as grateful for those as he is for his social security benefits.

  7. Given it’s history, why would anyone count on Greece to do anything? And what does this have to do with Santorum?

  8. Watching the news this morning…

    Question to our conservative friends. Why is there so much gun violence in the US? Why have other countries been successful in preventing this stuff?

  9. Latest GOP try to derail Hillary Clinton 2016 run?….

    Clinton email scandal could prompt criminal probe

    Two inspectors general have taken steps that could prompt the Justice Department to launch a criminal investigation into the potential mishandling of classified information in connection with Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server in her former role as secretary of state.

    More @

    (The GOPer’s must be REALLY scared shitless about Hillary , eh?….I’m waiting for another Benghazi headline next…)

  10. Update…

    The NY Times changes the story ….

    The New York Times made small but significant changes to an exclusive report about a potential criminal investigation into Hillary Clinton’s State Department email account late Thursday night, but provided no notification of or explanation for of the changes.

    The paper initially reported that two inspectors general have asked the Justice Department to open a criminal investigation “into whether Hillary Rodham Clinton mishandled sensitive government information on a private email account she used as secretary of state.”

    That clause, which cast Clinton as the target of the potential criminal probe, was later changed: the inspectors general now were asking for an inquiry “into whether sensitive government information was mishandled in connection with the personal email account Hillary Rodham Clinton used as secretary of state.”

    The Times also changed the headline of the story, from “Criminal Inquiry Sought in Hillary Clinton’s Use of Email” to “Criminal Inquiry Is Sought in Clinton Email Account,” reflecting a similar recasting of Clinton’s possible role. The article’s URL was also changed to reflect the new headline.

    More @

  11. Turkey attacking an ISIS target in Syria is a big deal because Turkey previously didn’t want to do anything that might help Assad.

  12. I just read a Twitter note that has DOJ even denying they got inquiries for ‘criminal ‘ investigations…

    Oh Boy
    The New York Times is gonna takes beating on this if the story keeps falling apart…

    I smell a post coming…..

  13. “It appears that Manila may need to take advantage of the Obamacare mental health provisions.”

    Like “One Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest? ”

    I’m not in that kind of trouble yet.

    “I am sure he will be as grateful for those as he is for his social security benefits.”

    I intend to be able to afford more than Cheerios when I retire.

    PS: At least I paid in.

  14. And the Kurds
    Who when the dust settles are going to have more autonomy from Bagdad….

  15. Israeli ambassador to Dems: Don’t fret about killing Iran deal

    Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer’s message to House Democrats is simple: don’t worry about voting against the Iran deal, because no matter what, the U.S. will not allow the Islamic Republic to obtain a nuclear weapon.
    The message, described by multiple lawmakers who were on the receiving end, is meant to tamp down fear of what will happen if Congress votes to block the nuclear agreement. The U.S. and Israel have both said they would do anything to ensure Iran never gets a nuclear weapon.
    Story Continued Below

    Dermer and other opponents are fighting an uphill battle against the nuclear pact: Capitol Hill insiders say opponents to the deal do not have the votes to override President Barack Obama’s veto.

    More @

  16. These comment’s play to MY feeling that President Obama is indeed correct in getting his Iran Deal….

    The comments here indicate that Israel is COUNTING on the US carrying the heavy load for them with them only sweating lip service against a deal in OUR Congress against OUR President….

    As with the Republicans?

    They are assuming America will expend ITS young men and women to take the fight to Iran , while THEY stand by and watch…

  17. Three Black churches have bulletin holes in them, the KKK is passing out pamphlets in Charleston , and certain Republucans are threatening to primary Republicans who voted to take the Confederate flag down..

    Just a reminder to those amongst us (and those no longer) who just can’t believe certain things don’t still go in in the American south.

  18. Of course they are Jack and this is still a tricky question for the Presidential primary candidates. Folks like Trump and Cruz will play this card big.

  19. And the media will come down HARD on them if they do…

    It might be good for some…

    But the leaders of the party will even MORE convinced to fight for Jeb….

  20. From Political Wire:

    A new YouGov/Economist poll shows Trump now doubling Jeb Bush’s support among Republicans(28 to14%) ,despite his McCain remarks who many presumed would finish him off.

    The Poll also noted that while 2/3s of Republicans believe McCain is a war hero ,fewer have a favorable opinion of him, thus accounting for the failure of the issue to subtract from Trumps support.

    In my view, the continued attacks on Trump by Republican regulars is now feeding into Trumps support.Its the old “send em a message” routine that George Wallace tapped into in the 60s and 70s.

  21. So we have some pollsters saying Trump has peaked and a poll showing little or no slowing….

    That’s about normal…


    I think he HAS peaked….

    But I’ve been wrong before…

  22. John Kasich was in town yesterday.

    Oddly he spent a good deal of time criticizing the Republican Party for squandering the Surpluses of the Clinton years when he was Chair of the House Budget Committee and shares credit for having helped produce these.

    He portrayed himself As an “Independent” Republican not bound by party orthodoxy.Indeed his remarks were more suited to a General Election candidate than one fighting for the nomination among the generally establishment oriented GOPers in SC.

    He was accompanied to former Gov And present Cong Mark Sanford who served with Kasich in Congress back in the Nineties?While offering nothing but praise for his former Congressional friend , he specifically did not endorse him.

  23. Monthly/Yearly numbers…..

    Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Total
    2010 – – – – – – – – – — – 1,349 46,334 45,025 55,085 54,677 43,222 245,692
    2011 47,966 39,347 44,757 38,939 36,714 40,773 43,736 47,267 48,272 42,916 39,930 30,572 501,189
    2012 70,416 36,740 40,218 30,960 39,682 31,647 44,532 42,190 35,063 75,167 66,447 43,767 556,829
    2013 45,099 32,788 35,799 41,427 36,012 30,659 35,349 43,485 39,173 39,852 35,080 35,627 450,350
    2014 32,872 40,480 31,942 32,658 42,732 36,128 38,006 34,417 35,703 35,742 32,430 26,283 419,393
    2015 34,601 36,545 43,208 44,833 51,565 57,821 40,234 308,807

    Best ever (Views/Hits in one day)

    All time ( Total Hits/Views)

    Comments (Total)

    (for those who don’t remember ….we did theme change in the middle of 2009 that wiped out all of the numbers from July 2009 to July 2010…There are posts starting from July 2009 )

  24. Whether he has “peaked” or not is not the story really.

    I don’t think anyone here sees him as a serious candidate down the road.

    That’s nothing but a rather tired already media line.

    The larger point is that upwards to a third of Republicans are supporting this obvious rebellion against the GOP establishment.

    Yesterday, Ted Cruz launched an unprecedented attack on the Senate floor on Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.I have already opined that Cruz is ,rather smartly in my view, positioning himself to inherit this support when Trump inevitably exits the scene.

    Some here have expressed the view that this fight for the nomination will go on for awhile .The longer it does and the more alienated this now VERY significant group of Rebel Republicans remain alienated from the GOP establishment the harder it will be for a Bush,Walker or Rubio to unite the party behind them

    Trump is not the only or even the most important issue here,it’s those who support him.

  25. Agreed on the support issue……

    But I still give him, or Cruz until Super Tuesday….

    In the end the wingnuts have to settle….
    That goes for BOTH parties…

  26. A good amount of those hardcore’s will probably not vote in fustration with the party?
    Same for Democrats?

  27. Republicans of ALL stripes have claimed that Romney would have won but for the fact that a lot of Conservatives were disenchanted with him and thus didn’t vote.

    I don’t agree with that myself,but they believe it ,so there will have to be some accommodation when a third of your party is explicitly REJECTING its establishment as seems to be happening here.

    No,this isn’t going to for easy AT All.

  28. It seems that Kasich has alined himself with Jeb Bush’s view of things…..

    VP material?

  29. US Marshals paid Arizona sheriff Joe Apario
    A visit…
    Seems that the guy ignored turning over files requested by a Federal appointed monitor…
    I guess the monitor flexed on the sheriff and sent the marshals to get the files requested…
    Not a pleasant get together I’d bet for both parties on that one…

  30. I will bring up a new thread sometime today…

    It’s a summer Sunday and we ARE busy around my way…

  31. New Report Says Apple Was in Talks to Use BMW i3 as Basis for Electric Car Project

    Apple and BMW were in negotiations to use the German car manufacturer’s car platform for its electric i3 for Apple’s rumored car project, code-named “Project Titan”, according to a new report from German business magazine Manager Magazin ….

    More @

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