Open Thread for May 31st, 2015…The NSA/Rand Paul show….

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aul got a chance to say he got rid of the Nation’s Patriot Act…..

A post 9/11 effort by the American Governmenet that records EVERY phone, fax, internet transmission’s to/from connection and how long it’s made….The agancy had be doing this and other things after 9/11 under ‘Secret’ provsisons of the patriot act that became un-secret when a NSA contract guy named Edward Snowden spilled the beans on the governments actions….

The program has to be oked by Congress every few years, which has been routine…

But the outrage from the media and others has led to a effort to stop the govwernment program….

Rand Paul, a Republican and Libertarian has led a cahrge against the law….

But , he has also been joined by some in Congress on BOTH sides of the aisle…

Some becuase they want the program done in…

Some because they want to stick it to President Obama , who WANTS the program to continue….

The House has passed the US Freedom Act , which isn’t all that it’s advertised….

Essentaill it just stops the Government from vacuuming up everything and orders the communications carriers to HOLD their records of the stuff the NSA might want longer so they can go back and access the stuff…

Since most of thes programs are ‘secret’?

WTF KNOWS what the government is actually doing?

But Rand Paul got his tonight…

The Senate vioted by a wide margin to bring up US Freedom Act for a vote Monday or Tuesday…

The votes are there to pass the Freedom Act , which will rearrange some things , but will essentially leave the programs of the Patriot act still running….

And give Senator Paul a VERY HOLLOW victory….


Sen Paul has been in the same situation more than once before….

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105 thoughts on “Open Thread for May 31st, 2015…The NSA/Rand Paul show….”

  1. I’m not sure you understand.

    Paul WANTS the other Republicans to “tear” into him.He is running an anti Establishment campaign.I don’t think he will be successful but it should be no surprise that he adopts contrary positions and,in effect, invites their criticism.

    1. I DO Jack….
      The clotsure vote was OVERWHELMING
      I have pointed to the Freedom Act being the
      I have NO reason to think otherwise
      I have stated for the record that there will be little change
      Except that the carriers hold our data longer
      The NSA isn’t going out of the data business any time soon…

          1. I’ll be on all day….

            But it will be a quiet posting day probably….

            I’ll have to catch up tonight….

  2. No you don’t.

    You’re so emotionally in favor of this “national security” stuff that you just lose all perspective.

    As for those Republicans criticizing him?

    Like they were EVER going to support him?

    Why would he care?

    He’s probably smiling about it.

    Anyone who bucks the Establishment in ANY way,you revel in criticism of them.

    1. Jack…
      I have mearly pointed out what a kabuki dance that this whole thing has been
      As I have tended to do for almost the last six years
      I point to end result
      Minus all the theater

      1. Jack?
        In all seriousness….
        Did you REALLY think the U.S. Government was gonna stop its ability to access communications data that they wanted?

        1. And Jack?
          In media pieces there is NO mention of the immediate shut down of data collection
          Indeed the law has a 6 month window for the NSA to negotiate with the communication carriers on how the new system would work….
          Wait it gets BETTER
          The new line is that Mitch McConnell blew it by holding on for NO CHANGE instead of taking door #2 the Freedom Bill
          Pure politics here
          And then as I pointed out?
          There ARE secret ‘walk a rounds’ the Government can use to CONTINUE most of what they have been doing
          I stand by what I have said here….
          In the end ?
          Just like Wikileads?
          Things remain basically
          THE SAME….
          That is a fact

        2. There is a Washington Post piece today that points to the unease Iowa Republicans have with Paul’s efforts at stopping the NSA programs also….
          So it’s not just the establishment pol’s
          Your own feelings are at play here…
          Rand Psul is digging himself into his own hole….

          1. Two rulings out from the Supreme’s today
            A guy who threatened his wife on the net gets off because he even though authorities where worried that he might hurt someone
            THAT wasn’t enough …
            The second one affirmed the right of Muslim women to wear head scarfs to work as a religious right…

  3. Look, James, if the USA Freedom Act had already passed (i.e. if cloture had passed on May 23 instead of yesterday), then there would have been a shutdown window for the NSA to negotiate transfer protocols with the telecoms.

    But it didn’t, so Section 215 (with a couple of other provisions) just passed into the sunset last night without anything to replace it. And I don’t think (but don’t know) that the sunset provisions of the most-recently passed version of Section 215 had any phase-out.

    So for the next couple of days there’s very little in theory to stop the carriers from doing as they please. In practice, they’re not going to start shredding all their metadata today, but on the other hand they face considerable market pressure from consumers concerned about their privacy.

    1. Indeed you are correct
      But those same carriers get their license to operate FROM the Feds…
      In a few days they are gonna sit down with
      The Fed’s
      I doubt very much if they are gonna spend the time and money to disconnect everything just to reconnect it all up on Tuesday…
      I’m not making a political statement, which is what this whole thing is about…
      I’m talking about time and money and practically…..

  4. Of course I knew the government was going to get its way.

    The joke is on babbling boobs like you that buy into all this bs national security stufYou apparently really think. These bumbling fools are going to protect you from whatever goblins haunt your mind . It’s pure government propaganda to make the public think they’re doing something.

  5. I see on Political Wire where Jeb Bush said he has learned a great deal from his brother’s successes as President.

    I’m not sure too many Republicans even look back on Dubyas years in the White House and think “success”. They like him as a person and prefer him to Obama or Clinton.

    But you hardly hear his legacy mentioned while GOP candidates reach back another 2 decades to lionize the Presidency of Ronald Reagan.

  6. I think that will be the case in regards to GWB eventually. He has already surpassed the expecations that liberals had in regards to how history would veiw him, and it has only been a few years that he has been out of office.

    GWB is more well-liked than Obama in some polls. The paramount deciding factor of the 2016 election will be the eight years of Obama and if people want to stay on the same track or change.

    1. Good for Rand Paul

      ….For some reason, when the government makes calamitous claims about what Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) 82% is doing to the NSA, conservatives are falling all over themselves to believe the government. This, I would remind you, is the same government that tells us to “trust it” at the IRS, HHS, and VA.

      In fact, it is well documented that the intelligence community has lied to Congress, distorted its operations, and presented half-truths in public. It is further well established that this particular administration has repeatedly abused the limits of proper restraint on government for political ends.

      I think Senator Paul forcing the issue into the open is a good thing. Whether he sees it through to the bitter end or not, is to be seen, but merely having this fight and forcing the debate is worth it.

      Republican members of the U.S. Senate are publicly attacking Rand Paul now. They are going so far as to accuse him of lying and simply using this as a fundraising stunt for his Presidential campaign…..

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      1. …my feeling that little has changed ….

        …Indeed, though Section 215 of the Patriot Act is gone for now, there appear to be multiple avenues available for the nation’s sweeping intelligence arm to fill in those gaps. While the expired provisions may have made things more convenient, the notion that there’s “not a failsafe,” as one senior administration official put it to reporters Wednesday, seems to be an overstatement.

        “Some of the expiring authorities provide efficiency as opposed to new capabilities or authorities,” Steven Cash, a former counsel to the Senate Intelligence and Judiciary Committees, said of the expired provisions. “Whether they could do things in the absence of the statutory authority to fill in the gaps, I’ll sort of start with the obvious — it’s a big intelligence community, they have lots and lots of capabilities they’re going to have to look to.”

        And they may not even have to look further than a few sections down in the Patriot Act.

        Tucked away in Section 224 of the act is what’s come to be known as its “grandfather” clause…..

        More @

  7. Just when you thought you were safe…

    He’s baaaackk!!!

    Better to burn out
    Than to fade away
    Me, me, my, my

    Dick Cheney Ramping Up New Policy Push

    Former vice president to release book and mount lobbying campaign that is likely to play into 2016 presidential election

    Patrick O’Connor
    The Wall Street Journal

    … Holly Shulman, a spokeswoman for the Democratic National Committee, said “there’s no one happier about Dick Cheney becoming a foreign policy surrogate than we are…If he needs any assistance getting out his message, our team would be happy to help book him for interviews.”

  8. Your post from 2012, that you have shown here does not really look that good in retrospect. It was not much of a “fight” at Tampa.

    1. No in hindsight not….

      But in recent converstaions I pointed to the fact that I feel that rand Paul WILL be standing and fighting after other GOPer’s drop out or run out of money….JUST LIKE HIS FATHER.

  9. I’m not so sure about that. He is up for reelection in Kentucky and may have to literally change gears to that.

  10. Both of them. Technically, McConnell endorsed Rand Paul for President some time back. I wish he would have thought better of doing so.

  11. Now, please remember, class:

    Hillary Clinton does not wish you to think that she’s the same as her husband Bill;

    Lincoln Chafee was a different Senator and Governor than his father John;

    Rand Paul does not want you to confuse him with his father Ron; and

    Jeb Bush would not like you mistaking him for either his father George or his brother George.

    Got that? This will be on the test and there may be a pop quiz.

      1. North Carolina Put On Lawsuit Notice Over Declining Voter Registration

        The groups are demanding that the state come up with procedures to ensure that North Carolinians are able to vote after submitting an application or updating their registration. In the letter, they write that they “will have no alternative but to initiate litigation” in 90 days if no state action is taken.

        “It’s been overwhelming, the last few months, the number of people we’ve interacted with where the DMV has just failed,” said Allison Riggs, a staff attorney with the Southern Coalition for Social Justice, which signed the notice. “It’s not like we’re dying to sue the state, we’d like to work towards a solution that works for everyone. But if we need to litigate to get a better outcome, we will.”

        More @

        1. Rand Paul Will Not Block New Spying Bill

          Rand Paul is about to stand down. The steadfast opponent of the Patriot Act told The Daily Beast that he won’t try much longer to hold up Senate passage of a bill that would tweak the controversial surveillance law. “I think we’re about done,” Paul said. Earlier, the Senate voted 83-14 to move forward with a vote on the bill, called the USA Freedom Act. It now seems likely the Senate will pass the measure, but Majority Leader Mitch McConnell plans to introduce amendments that some House lawmakers warn could sink the bill. (None of Paul’s proposed amendments will get a vote.)

          More @

          1. Breaking
            As expected
            The U.S. Senate votes to approve the the House approved US Freedom Act
            The bill goes to the President for his signature
            The political kabuki dance is over
            Rand Psul got his attention
            The President gets his deal
            Mitch McConnell licks his wounds
            And the NSA gets to save computer space
            The communication giants will have start saving your data instead of the Fed’s
            And THAT will be the Law
            Net loss for the NSA?
            Virtually nil….

  12. Charles Kennedy the former Lib Dem here from Scotland has died and the news is focused on his position on Iraq and how it defined him – if only we had more folks like the in the U.S. – he was so spot on about Blair and Bush!

  13. Today marks the 62nd anniversary of the Coronation of Queen Elizabeth II in Westminster Abbey on 2 June 1953. Queen Elizabeth had acceded to the throne upon the death of her father, King George VI, on 6 February 1952.

    She has now reigned longer than King George III (1760-1820), and almost as long as England’s and Great Britain’s longest-serving monarch, Queen Victoria (acceded to the throne 20 June 1837, crowned 28 June 1838, died 22 Jan. 1901).

  14. Senate votes against cloture on the USA Freedom Act (I don’t quite understand why a second cloture vote was needed):

    Question: On the Cloture Motion (Motion to Invoke Cloture on H.R. 2048 )
    Vote Number: 197
    Vote Date: June 2, 2015, 10:36 AM
    Required For Majority: 3/5
    Vote Result: Cloture Motion Agreed to
    Measure Number: H.R. 2048 (USA FREEDOM Act of 2015 )
    Measure Title: A bill to reform the authorities of the Federal Government to require the production of certain business records, conduct electronic surveillance, use pen registers and trap and trace devices, and use other forms of information gathering for foreign intelligence, counterterrorism, and criminal purposes, and for other purposes.

    Vote Counts:
    YEAs 83
    NAYs 14
    Not Voting 3

    NAYs —14 (12 R, 1 D, 1 Ind.)

    Barrasso (R-WY)
    Cotton (R-AR)
    Crapo (R-ID)
    Enzi (R-WY)
    Ernst (R-IA)
    Moran (R-KS)
    Paul (R-KY)
    Risch (R-ID)
    Roberts (R-KS)
    Rubio (R-FL)
    Sanders (I-VT)
    Sessions (R-AL)
    Shelby (R-AL)
    Udall (D-NM)

    Not Voting – 3 [2 R, 1 D]

    Blunt (R-MO)
    Graham (R-SC)
    Warner (D-VA)

    I’m not sure how many nays were from those who think (whichever way you look at it) that the USA Freedom Act goes too far and how many from those who think that it does too little.

    Lindsey Graham’s detour onto the campaign trail allows him to finesse a perilous divide between his libertarian/Tea Party supporters and his supporters who are national-security hawks. On the other hand, it could easily be seen as dilettantism, or putting his own personal ambitions above what many consider to be one of this Congress’s most important decisions about either civil liberties or national security or else both.

  15. I’m a little mystified by Mitch McConnell’s doomed campaigns first on May 23rd to extend the Patriot Act for a couple of weeks for improvement, and today to add three “perfecting” amendments to the USA Freedom Act.

    By killing cloture on the USA Freedom Act on May 23rd (the early morning of the Saturday before last) in futile hopes of extending the Patriot Act provisions, Sen. McConnell guaranteed that there would be nothing for a few days except some grandfather clauses.

    But he got only 45 other Senators to agree on the short-term extension (42 Republicans, Angus King and two Democrats).

    Today his amendments, I guess just to show the flag, got no more than 45 yeas. While he got Angus King, the Maine Independent, and over 40 of his Republican colleagues to agree, he got no Democratic votes and faced the opposition of not only Bernie Sanders (Ind-Vt) but the same overlapping coalition of about a dozen Tea Partiers and Western libertarians within his own GOP caucus, broadly speaking:

    Rand Paul (Ky) and Tim Scott (SC)
    Ted Cruz (Texas) and James Lankford (Okla.)

    Jerry Moran (Kansas)
    Steve Daines (Montana) and Mike Enzi (Wyoming)
    Cory Gardner (Colo.), Mike Lee (Utah) and Dean Heller (Nevada)
    Dan Sullivan and Lisa Murkowski (Alaska)

    joined in one vote (no. 200) by Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.)

  16. Final roll call magically appears at the link above:

    Question: On Passage of the Bill (H.R. 2048 )
    Vote Number: 201
    Vote Date: June 2, 2015, 04:06 PM
    Required For Majority: 1/2
    Vote Result: Bill Passed

    Measure Number: H.R. 2048 (USA FREEDOM Act of 2015 )
    Measure Title: A bill to reform the authorities of the Federal Government to require the production of certain business records, conduct electronic surveillance, use pen registers and trap and trace devices, and use other forms of information gathering for foreign intelligence, counterterrorism, and criminal purposes, and for other purposes.
    Vote Counts:
    YEAs 67
    NAYs 32
    Not Voting 1

    Tammy Baldwin (D-Wisc.) and Bernie Sanders (Ind-Vt) voted Nay, together with 30 Republicans, among them Rand Paul (R-Ky), Jerry Moran (R-Ks) and Mike Enzi (R-Wyo.)

    USAF Reserve officer Lindsey Graham (R-SC), warrior that he is, is on his own campaign trail and thus hors de combat in this battle.

    Voting aye — besides Angus King (Ind-Maine) and all the Democrats except Sen. Baldwin — were all the dissident Republicans I listed above save Sens Paul, Moran & Enzi plus:

    John Cornyn (Texas) and Jim Inhofe (Okla.)
    [joining their respective partners, Ted Cruz and James Lankford)
    David Vitter & Bill Cassidy (La)
    John Boozman (Ark.)
    Lamar Alexander (Tenn.) and Shirley Moore Capito (W.Va)

    Kelly Ayotte (NH)
    Mark Kirk (Ill.) and Ron Johnson (R-Wisc.)
    Charles Grassley (Iowa)
    John Hoeven (N.Dak.) and Mike Rounds (S.Dak.)
    Jeff Flake (Ariz.)

    Just for the record, these are the 32 Nays:

    NAYs —32

    Baldwin (D-WI)
    Barrasso (R-WY)
    Blunt (R-MO)
    Burr & Tillis (R-NC)
    Coats (R-IN)
    Cochran & Wicker (R-Miss)
    Collins (R-Maine)
    Corker (R-TN)
    Cotton (R-Ark)
    Crapo (R-ID)
    Enzi & Risch (R-WY)
    Ernst (R-Iowa)
    Fischer & Sasse (R-Neb)
    Hatch (R-UT)
    Isakson & Perdue (R-GA)
    McCain (R-AZ)
    Moran & Roberts (R-KS)
    Paul & McConnell (R-KY)
    Portman (R-Ohio)
    Risch (R-Idaho)
    Rubio (R-FL)
    Sanders (I-Vt)
    Sessions & Shelby (R-Alab.)
    Thune (R-SD)
    Toomey (R-PA)

    Not Voting – 1

    Graham (R-SC)

  17. Please scratch my last post from 5:52 p.m., James, I’m too sleepy. It was nice when you could see what your posts would look like before you hit “Submit” (WYSIWYG).

    Here’s what I meant to post:

    For those who like things slightly more clearly and accurately formatted:

    Bold for non-Republicans; italic for the three GOP Senators — Paul, Enzi and Moran — who had not voted for cloture on extending the USA Patriot Act, and voted against Sen. McConnell’s proposed amendments, but then voted against passage of the Freedom Act itself.

    NAYs —32

    Baldwin (D-Wisc.)
    Barrasso (R-WY)
    Blunt (R-MO)
    Burr & Tillis (R-NC)
    Coats (R-Ind)
    Cochran & Wicker (R-Miss)
    Collins (R-Maine)
    Corker (R-Tenn.)
    Cotton (R-Ark)
    Crapo (R-Idaho)
    Enzi & Risch (R-WY)
    Ernst (R-Iowa)
    Fischer & Sasse (R-Neb)
    Hatch (R-Utah)
    Isakson & Perdue (R-Ga)
    McCain (R-Ariz.)
    Moran & Roberts (R-Ks)
    Paul & McConnell (R-Ky)
    Portman (R-Ohio)
    Rubio (R-Fla)
    Sanders (I-Vt)
    Sessions & Shelby (R-Alab.)
    Thune (R-SD)
    Toomey (R-Pa)

    1. Corey does have the ability to get everyone ‘s juices flowing…
      I was just watching Chris Matthews get all excited about today’s NBC poll
      The guy was begging for Hillary to come to the media
      Baiting her with she’s in the same boat as Jeb
      Which she isn’t (Corey)

      No mention of things like the RCP or outfits showing that she’s up by 40%
      Over the other Dem guys
      And leads All the GOPer’s

      1. My latest look at Sen Warren, who might have outdone herself this time…

        Wall Street and the White House had a swift and furious reaction to Elizabeth Warren’s blazing attack on Securities and Exchange Commission Chair Mary Jo White: Senator, you’ve gone too far.
        Defenders of White’s tenure at the regulatory agency said Warren’s 13-page letter attacking the SEC chair raised highly questionable points and badly mischaracterized the actions of a widely respected former federal prosecutor.

        “I don’t understand Sen. Warren’s criticism of White for recusing herself where there is a conflict of interest,” said Wayne Abernathy, a top lobbyist for the American Bankers Association, referring to Warren’s criticism that White isn’t involved in SEC actions when her husband’s law firm represents the companies involved. “Is it that she would prefer that the chairman go forward and participate in enforcement cases despite the conflict of interest?”
        Warren’s letter represented the Massachusetts senator’s most sweeping attack on an agency that she has long targeted as ineffectual in its role as financial-services cop. But in choosing to take on White directly — declaring that she lied to her and shirked her responsibilities — Warren also provided an opportunity for her many critics on Wall Street to rally around a person they consider a tough but fair enforcer of the rules.

        More @

  18. I understand Hillary is going to call for 20 days of early voting in every state.

    A fantastic idea.

    Can’t wait to hear the Republicans res

  19. I see where Lincoln Chafee kicked off his bid for the White House today focusing on that hot button issue: the metric system!

    Yep, Hillary’s gotta be quakin in her boots!

  20. Great win! Lighting played the Third Period trying to hold on to a 1-0 lead, the way that Hillary has been campaigning for President.

  21. The team comparable to Jeb Bush’s presidential campaign would be the post season Chicago Cubs!

  22. “It’s not nation-building. We are assisting them in building their nation.”

    — Sen. Marco Rubio, quoted by Business Insider, on his vision for Iraq.

    I think they need to leave Marco out there talking all on his own. It will be good for giggles at least. This is borderline “internets” if you ask me.

  23. I’ve never seen much to this guy.

    I still don’t and believe that if he is the Republican nominee he will be defeated by about the same margin as Romney.

    Interestingly, and with the caveat that I have no ” inside” information” ,several SC Republicans, who have usually been right on these kind of things in the past ,have assured me that Rubio will implode fairly early in the process because of problems he has in Florida.

    Just an interesting sidelight.

  24. I see a quote on Political Wire this morning from John Kasich saying the only reason he has an opening to get in this race is because Jeb Bush has pretty much bombed thus far,

    1. Morning People….

      May had the highest number of hits/views in the history of this place….

  25. Is George W Bush “popular?”

    Corey thinks so on the basis of a single poll by CNN that gave him a 53% “favorable” rating.

    However,I have found two other polls,by the New Your Times and Bloomberg from the past month, that seemingly contradict such a finding.

    The NYT poll gives him a dismal 30% “favorable” rating,while Bloomberg has him at 46% favorable and46% Unfavorable.

    Averaging all three out you come up with a”favorable” rating of 43-44% or roughly the same as President Obama whom Corey has labelled unpopular.

    Of course we all know that the CNN poll is “fair and balanced” while the others are too “liberal.”(hahaha)

    Placing too much emphasis on a single poll is inherently a dangerous move IF one is interested in the truth of a matter.

    My personal feeling is that Americans,Particularly Republicans themselves, remain very ambivalent about GWB.For sure he is likely more “popular” than he was several years back.As I mentioned the other day,such is the natural flow as ones presidency fades somewhat in memory.Bush is a like able able fellow(I like him myself) but his policies to large extent are still with us and they are not so popular.

    Accordingly, all partisanship aside,it is not accurate I think to label him “now popular.”

  26. jack “likes” GWB?

    I may have never read anything more surprising in my life.

    Blown away… BLOWN AWAY!

  27. That’s because you are blind partisan and dislike Democrats just because they are Democrats.

    I like lots of Republicans personally.I wouldn’t vote for them though .

    Besides George W who seems like a thoroughly decent guy,I like John Kasich because he’s commonsensical..

    I like Pat Buchanan because he’s a good writer in my view but he
    Has a blind eye as to racial issues.

    I like former RNC Chair Ken Mehlman.

    I like Susan Collins because she is the last of a dying breed, the moderate Republicans.

    Previously I expressed my admiration for SC Sen Tim Scott with whom I vehemently disagree politically but find a compelling human being.

    You’re too hung up on politics,maybe you ought to get out more?

  28. I may be a partisan, but you have said in the past that every CEO in America should be locked up in prison. Maybe that was just an emotional moment.

    I had assumed you were somehow holding out a vigil for Dubya to be dragged before the Hague, like some of the other lefties on here are.

    But now, I know better. You “like” him! Me too. You should see all the GWB memorabilia in my living room.

  29. You just dislike all Democrats because you are consumed with politics.Im not.I told you awhile back that most if my friends were Republicans.You seemed taken aback.Why?

    I mean Tom Coburn one of the most Conservative Republicans in Congress was good friends with President Obama.

    Joe Biden gave the eulogy for Strom Thurmond at his funeral.Thurmond said he considered Biden his best friend in the Senate.

    You truly live a one dimensional life consumed with politics.

    If that’s your deal so be it,but you shouldn’t be surprised that others see life differently.

  30. I know many Democrats of course. I don’t dislike all Democrats.

    Just almost everyone from here.

  31. Mostly though, I was just surprised that you cited Dubya as someone you “liked.” For years, he has been described online by so many on the left as the personification of evil, etc. etc. I do not know if the others here would be willing to say they “like” Dubya.

    What’s next, Dick Cheney?

  32. Really?

    That’s odd.

    I don’t “dislike” anyone here.

    I think if I disliked almost everyone here I likely wouldn’t hang around.

    But that’s me.

    Some people thrive on personal animosities.

  33. That’s because they mostly all agree with you and do not fabricate stuff or call you a racist or Nazi sympathizer or immoral, etc.

    If they did, I’d call them out for it at least, even though nobody else…

  34. Oh that’s not true.

    I disagree with James more than you do(indeed you and him have similiar views on the big issues)and he has called, me names(I’ve called him some too)

    Zreebs and I disagreed the other day and do so occasionally .

    I think you’ve become overly sensitive of late.

    I mean if I was posting on a site where Republicans predominate,I’m sure I would be called some names.

    If it bothered me that much I guess I wouldn’t post there.

    Are you a masochist?

    1. Corey?

      Separate from politics…

      I like Jack, Keith and everyone here…
      YOU included…
      I do NOT take utterances here personally ….
      Oh, once and a while I get annoyed…
      But I have fun doing this…
      And it’s closing on SIX long years…

      Jack’s right…
      You get a bit tooooooo serious….
      Politics may be serious….
      But to TAKE it serious?
      Not me…

  35. Corey really ought to look within his own party for enemies.

    Those Tea Party types,now a major part of the Republican Party,hate Establishment GOPers like him as much as they do Democrats

    (For humor?Remember when those kooks claimed to be “nonpartisan” and the so called “librul media” bought into it?)

  36. Am I a masochist?

    Well, I’ve been a Cubs fan my whole life, so I must be.

    and nobody here would be in more disagreement with james than me.

    1. He, he, he….

      I try to keep everyone interested in the place….And on their toes!

  37. Ha ha on the Cubs Corey.

    But at least you guys have a hockey team that can make it to the Stanley Cup

  38. I dunno, Back to the Future 2 was just a movie. I don’t have a hoverboard and I don’t see the Cubs making the 2015 WS

  39. Cubs will be taking a big step up this season, Wild Card perhaps, but I forsee a World Series win in 2016.

    The last time they won a World Series, a really fat guy was about to get elected President. That may be enough to get me to switch to Chris Christie.

  40. I thought it would be interesting to see a Ducks/Lightning Stanley Cup as there is no record of snowfall in either City that I know of.

    Chicago’s win in Game one was impressive enough for me to say that they will take this possibly in a sweep.

    As to the Cubs, suffer on.

    As to the Red Sox, right now it’s a bad team in a bad division so we shall see.

  41. As I’ve repeated too many times already, George Will attributes his conservative, pessimistic view of the human character and condition to his Southern Illinois youth rooting for the Cubs, while his friends who turned into sunny, optimistic liberals had been rooting for the more-successful St Louis Cardinals.

    I think, however, that might be taken a little too far: Boston, Eastern New England and the rest of Red Sox Nation have never lacked for liberal optimists even under the generations-long Curse of the Bambino.

    Losing the pennant or the Series, often painfully, was considered something like New England weather or Republican presidents that was only to be expected and had to be endured with stoic Yankee determination.

  42. What George Will says makes sense to some extent, but I think among long-suffering Cubs fan, there has always been a Midwestern optimistic “wait til next year” tradition.

    The 2003 disappointment was so brutal, that people started getting far more dark about the situation, and that extended as the decade continued, but right now, looking at the team, and what we believe lies ahead, Die Hard Cubs fans are extremely optimistic, if not giddy.

    It’s also hard for me to associate New England with sunny optimism for some reason.

  43. Of course there was always (just as with Brooklyn Dodgers fans like Doris Kearns Goodwin) that “wait til next year !” in the New England (not NY!) Yankee determination, but shadowed with anticipatory resignation (“but sadly we won’t be that surprised if they lose again; kismet; His Will be done.”)

    I think New Englanders probably became a little more pessimistic after winning all four major crowns in the first decade of the millennium, but not about sports.

    There was 9/11, two Bush elections and several major military-political disasters, accompanied by a startling wave of local corruption revelations, both political and criminal (Whitey Bulger). And many pockets of post-industrial economic stagnation and hopelessness.

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        GOP senator seeks to block restrictions on Pentagon giving weapons to police

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        The senator, who faces what could be a challenging reelection race next year, is offering an amendment to an annual defense policy bill that would prohibit any regulation or policy that restricts the federal government from selling or donating its excess material to a state or local agency.

        More @

        Economy adds 280K jobs; jobless rate rises

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        1. I couldn’t leave this out…

          G.O.P.-Led House Votes to Keep Curbs on American Travel to Cuba

          House Republicans voted Thursday to maintain restrictions on Americans seeking to travel to Cuba, a setback to efforts by the Obama administration to ease the five-decade standoff….

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  44. House Roll Call 301 on failed Cartwright Amendment to strike Mario Díaz-Balart provision that restores previous restrictions on travel to Cuba.


    H R 2577 RECORDED VOTE 4-Jun-2015 12:03 PM
    AUTHOR(S): Cartwright of Pennsylvania Amendment
    QUESTION: On Agreeing to the Amendment

    Ayes Noes NV
    _10 229 5 – Republican
    166 _18 4 – Democratic

    176 247 9 – TOTALS

    18 Democrats voting against the amendment (arranged by state abbr. & surname)

    Kirkpatrick D AZ No
    Sinema D AZ No
    Costa D CA No
    McNerney D CA No
    Perlmutter D CO No
    Hastings D FL No
    Wilson (FL) D FL No
    Lewis D GA No
    Lipinski D IL No
    Lawrence D MI No
    Nolan D MN No
    Peterson D MN No
    Walz D MN No
    Ashford D NE No
    Clarke (NY) D NY No
    Fudge D OH No
    Schrader D OR No
    Cuellar D TX No

    [My question is why would John Lewis of Georgia be voting against more travel to Cuba? – Dave]

    4 Democrats not voting:

    Gutiérrez D IL Not Voting
    Adams D NC Not Voting
    Doyle, Michael F. D PA Not Voting
    Jackson Lee D TX Not Voting

    10 Republicans voting for the amendment:

    Carter (GA) R GA Aye
    Price, Tom R GA Aye
    Whitfield R KY Aye
    Smith (NE) R NE Aye
    LoBiondo R NJ Aye
    Smith (NJ) R NJ Aye
    Joyce R OH Aye
    Fitzpatrick R PA Aye
    Poe (TX) R TX Aye
    Griffith R VA Aye

    5 Republicans not voting:

    Nugent R FL Not Voting
    Rokita R IN Not Voting
    Noem R SD Not Voting
    Brady (TX) R TX Not Voting
    Stewart R UT Not Voting

  45. Dying gasps of an obsolete policy.

    You want to go to Cuba?


    Nothing’s going to happen to you.

  46. But Jack, what about the Cubans who can’t vote who are serving your drinks? Remember Corey shaming us for entertaining even going to Cuba in those sentiments he typed away..probably on a Chinese made device no less.

    Honestly the guy should redirect the $$ he sends to Republican politicians to a travel fund and get out of Chicagoland from time to time.

    Between the Kochs and Sheldon Adelson those pols are covered and won’t miss a dime!

  47. Few policies have “failed” written so clearly and unmistakeably upon them as the Cuban embargo. Usually there’s at least some room for rational or theoretical argument about something like tariffs, the utility of the Fed, the pro’s and con’s of labor unions or of private corporations, states’ rights, gun control, campaign finance or the structure of social insurance.

    But — echoing the classical definition of insanity as doing the same thing over and over again with the same effect, yet somehow expecting a different result — 55 years of the Cuban embargo have done nothing to weaken Castroism or Communist dictatorship in Cuba, just made life much more difficult for Cubans both in Cuba and abroad.

    In the long run (to consider the other rationalization given for the embargo) it hasn’t even deterred other Latin Americans from following or spreading some or all of the Castros’ policies.

    1. As we have discussed here
      The policy was NEVER gonna be changed
      By a GOPer President
      And a Dem President could only do so
      As Obama has done with no reelection to deal
      The issue has more to deal with Florida electoral votes than anything else….

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