Open Thread for May 23, 2015….Stay the course Mr President…

With ALL the noise about the Islamic State military moves in Iraq President Obama has said this more or less….

Iraq needs to fight its own battle’s….

We’ll help them…

But it’s their fight NOT ours….


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95 thoughts on “Open Thread for May 23, 2015….Stay the course Mr President…”

  1. In DC to fly out tomorrow for Heathrow and just saw the picture of SF City Hall in Emerald Green – Ireland rules!

          1. Steve Kornacki @ MSNBC is covering Bernie Sanders up in NH….

            The guy just said that HE thinks Sanders could unseat Hillary Clinton?

            Can someone PLEASE put the guy someplace to cool him off?

            Sanders isn’t even a registerd Democrat….

  2. Good news about the Blackhawks Zreebs, I still remember Blackhawk games with my dad at the old Chicago Stadium (at least I think it was the Stadium). I am amazed at the number of cities that have hockey teams today and wonder if any of those kids who live in those places have even seen snow, let alone ice skated or thought of playing hockey. I always thought it was great that John Kerry played hockey (especially at his age). I have the news on in DC as we get ready for the plane to London. I certainly miss the DC news.

  3. Anaheim is a better team than the Blackhawks, but it’s now the best of 3. Anything can happen. In my opinion, these are the two best teams in the NHL. The Rangers are good, but the Eastern Conference is very weak.

  4. Steve Kornacki gets paid to say that. No race, not as much work. I admit to finding what I have posted below on Political Wire, but it underscores what I have been saying about demographics. Got to get going, it is late here and I need to get out early to beat the security stuff. Besides, I admit it, I want to see the old lady roll by in her carriage.

    The Fix: “If the 2016 GOP nominee gets no better than Romney’s 17 percent of the nonwhite vote, he or she would need 65 percent of the white vote to win, a level achieved in modern times only by Ronald Reagan in his 1984 landslide. Bush’s 2004 winning formula — 26 percent of the nonwhite vote and 58 percent of the white vote — would be a losing formula in 2016, given population changes.”

    “The 2016 electorate, demographically speaking, will be worse for Republicans than 2012. And unless Republicans can begin winning more of the nonwhite vote, the 2020 election will be worse for the party than the 2016 election. And 2024 will be worse than, well, you get the idea.”

  5. What’s amazing though is that Most Republicans steadfastly ignore these numbers and content themselves with believing that

    1.)There are MILLIONS of “conservative” Whites who will flock to the polls if given a “real” conservative to vote for.
    2.)Hispanic,as they assimilate into the broader American culture,will start voting Republican in greater numbers and ignore the party’s past position of attempting to throw them out of the country or
    3.) Hispanics,many of whom are Roman Catholics, will heed Church teachings and vote increasingly Republican due to their social issue stands(occasionally, this argument is made applicable to Blacks,particularly Black churchgoers)

    Realistic?Not much in my opinion,but,then again,the GOP is stuck with the conundrum that,if they adopt more “liberal” stands as regards minorities,they run the risk of alienating older Whites who vote Republican mainly because it is a party that does NOT cater to Minority interests.

    It’s a real dilemma for them.

  6. Given that the current Pope–who hails from Latin America– is despised by many right wingers for focusing on social justice issues even attracting devoutly Catholic Hispanics is increasingly complicated for the GOP.

  7. And, so far as I can tell, Pope Francis draws support, often enthusiastic support, from Roman Catholics with widely different feelings about ecclesiastical, social, moral and political issues. Even more so with Latinos.

    Rather the flip side of St John Paul II, fundamentally a militant though intelligent conservative on many issues outside world affairs, who also drew enthusiastic support from a very wide range of Catholics, especially Polish and East European ones.

    [ Of course, it’s a mistake at this point to assume that Pope Francis has necessarily diverged on the fundamentals from current Catholic establishment consensus. ]

    1. …twitter….
      ESPN @espn ·Get out your brooms! Cavs are headed to the NBA Finals for only 2nd time in franchise history after sweeping Hawks.

  8. James, I was asked to deliver a sermon for my church on “economic justice” on July 5. Most of the sermons can be heard on podcast. Could I post it afterwards on here? If so, you will have to give me guidance.

    1. Send me a whole copy Z…

      Also give me a something broken down with what you think is the most important part…

  9. While some former popes appeared to be be slightly more aligned with the GOP message, that is not true with this pope. My three sisters are all devout Catholics and they are all enthusiastic supporters of Hillary. It is hard to imagine the GOP outperforming its share of the 2012 Catholic vote in 2016 – unless maybe if they nominate a Catholic.

  10. Maybe I’ll just send an email that directs people to the webpage where they can listend to the podcast? If a podcast is not available, then I won’t send anything. I’m not really comfortable with you editing it. I’m sure you understand – that’s fine. Just an idea.

    1. I would like to read the whole thing and I asked that YOU edit it down to something reasonable something ANY and ALL sites do….

      It’s up to you…

  11. Dave, there’s a couple of my favorite watering holes listed in that Esquire article.

    I’d be happy to buy a drink for any Pdog regular who happens to be in St. Louis at one of these fine establishments.

  12. James, your request is fair, but I don’t want to edit it. No problem – I understand.

  13. This just might have been the best hockey game I have seen in my life. Game #7 is in Anaheim, but the Blackhawks seem to get it done when needed. What a series!

  14. I just read that Steve LaTourette, former GOP member from suburban Cleveland, has pancreatic cancer, says he was misdiagnosed by a Capitol Hill doctor. This, of course, is a death sentence. Very unfair, nice man, not crazy like the others.

    1. …my weekly Elizabeth Warren drop in….ain’t nothing wrong about making some money


      The Boston Globe ‏@BostonGlobe
      .@SenWarren’s populist bestseller took aim at Wall Street and earned her a bundle

  15. The Chinese government is now banning strippers from funerals. The family of the dead in rural China previously would hire strippers to ensure that the funeral was well attended. This would ensure good luck in the afterlife.

    Damn Communists. Now the dead are screwed because strippers can’t come to their funeral.

    1. Maybe the strippers should file for unemployment?
      The government putting them out of money?

  16. I’d say the repeal of the death penalty in ruby red Nebraska is the biggest underreported story of the week.

    I have generally supported capital punishment, especially in horrific cases. But there are many cases where it’s not applied evenly, it’s costly, and (even more so than voting) even one instance of it being carried out when it shouldn’t have is too much.

  17. Guess that some story about what won’t happen any more in some flat, boring farm state can’t compete for viewers’ and readers’ attention against what won’t happen any more at Chinese funerals.

    Although, oddly enough, they both concern one of man’s biggest preoccupations, Death, only one of them also relates to another major preoccupation, Sex.

    Which would get more time on TMZ and go viral on social media?

    1. Breaking
      Dennis Hastert has been indicted
      By a Federal Grand Jury in Illinois..
      More to come…..

  18. Federal prosecutors charged former House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL) with illegally structuring cash withdrawals from bank accounts to make payments to someone he committed “prior misconduct” against and lying to the FBI about it, the Chicago Sun Times reports.

    “Hastert is accused of splitting up the withdrawal of $952,000 to avoid the requirement that banks report withdrawals of more than $10,000. When asked about it by the FBI in the December 2014, he allegedly lied and said he was keeping the cash.”

  19. The indictment of current and former House Speakers in Massachusetts and Rhode Island no longer seems that unusual.

    But corrupt politicians in the Land of Lincoln ?? Almost (in Prof. Paul Wolfowitz’s words) inconceivable ! What would Raymond Massey and Carl Sandburg have said ?

    [ By the way, it’s Hastert, not Haspert.]

  20. Hastert is arguably Northern Illinois University’s most prominant alumni. That is where Corey went to school.

    1. Rubio Moves to Lock Up South Carolina

      The freshman senator’s face is printed on buttons, direct-mail flyers, promotional brochures, dinner programs. He’s not from South Carolina. He has never won a race in South Carolina. But the people in this office—and their political allies around the state—aim to change that…..

      More @

  21. Since you can not only be pedantic like me, Zreebs, but get much more upset about style & grammar, I’m wondering if this is from you or some impersonator:

    Hastert is arguably Northern Illinois University’s most prominant sic alumni.sic

    No doubt “one of” dropped out during your self-editing, while the rest of the sentence didn’t follow. Certainly this kind of thing happens to me (that’s agentless Bushese for “I do this kind of thing”) all the time.

  22. They are everywhere Zreebs, everywhere. But, I thought Markos from Daily Kos was the most prominent Northern Illinois graduate – hands down.

  23. Anyway, it appears that Hastert was involved with individual A going back to 1965, but Corey was born after 1965, so I have to conclude that Corey is not individual A.

  24. At this point, I have no reason to believe that Corey is lying about his age. Five years ago, He was saying he was one age, now it’s a different age, but that is to be expected, because as people get older, their age changes.

  25. Zreebs commented on my site about the 2016 race for a while and then stopped. I certainly allowed him the right to say his piece on a party he is not in.

    The only other commenter I have there is the person that you do not allow here. He mostly has posted about American Idol though.

    The great thing about my site though is that it is totally, 100 percent free for me. I cannot imagine spending thousands of dollars out of pocket to run a blog that very few people would ever see, just for fun, when there are so many better uses where that money could go.

  26. I have some new respect for Rand Paul.

    Anybody who can get blasted by Charles Krauthammer, one of the biggest War Lovers have ever seen, deserves a little respect.

  27. I’m rather enjoying the exposure of the big Republican LIE that is playing out in Kansas.

    Gov, Sam Brownback and the Republican Legislature have been hoisted on their own petard as their “Supply Side” economic policies have PREDICTABLY wreaked havoc on the state budget.

    Now,even these Right Wing nuts , for that’s what they are, are admitting that they have made about all the “cuts” they can in the budget and are still facing a gigantic deficit caused by their Wild Eyed tax cuts based on the wacko theories of an amalgam of goofy economists who should have their graduate degrees revoked.

    Now the “conservatives” are making tax INCREASE proposals.

    A fitting end to their silly venture into the netherworld of Right wing kookery .

  28. Fox News was reporting on the recent Quinnipiac poll which had Rand Paul come in sixth. Fox had pictures of 10 Republicans on the screen – but they omitted Paul. According to Rachel Maddow, this wasn’t the first time that happened. Fox News does not like Rand Paul.

  29. I would say that the biggest reason Fox News doesn’t like Paul was his comments on ISIS.

  30. Filibustering against extending the USA Patriot Act (and I think also the USA Freedom Act, which Sen. Paul thinks still gives Uncle Sam too much power) could hardly warm the hearts of Roger Ailes and the Bush administration veterans at Fox, either.

    1. I’m out running around taking care of family today….
      I ‘ll try to post up later….
      The last time Paul did something like this he couldn’t stop the train
      He won’t this time
      Look for the USA Freedom Act or a delay with the status quo in place….

    2. They are about3 votes from the USA Freedom Act approval
      Knocking out BOTH bill’s would interesting
      Since the NSA would have to close down several programs for an extended time

  31. Rand Paul voted against cloture on both the USA Freedom Act and the USA Patriot Act extension (as did Angus King of Maine, Mike Crapo of Idaho and Jerry Moran of Kansas; Mitch McConnell’s vote against cloture on the extension was solely to allow himself to move reconsideration).

    The New York Times advocates letting the latter expire on Monday morning without passing the former (which is what will happen if nothing changes from last weekend).

    Unless no one filibusters the USA Freedom Act (which I think Paul would filibuster) and if no more Senators stay away (Mike Enzi of Wyoming didn’t vote on either cloture), the Administration needs to keep all of last weekend’s 57 votes for cloture and add three from these 42 Nay votes (41 R and 1 Ind):

    NAYs —42

    Alexander (R-TN)
    Ayotte (R-NH)
    Barrasso (R-WY)
    Blunt (R-MO)
    Boozman (R-AR)
    Burr (R-NC)
    Capito (R-WV)
    Cassidy (R-LA)
    Coats (R-IN)
    Cochran (R-MS)
    Collins (R-ME)
    Corker (R-TN)
    Cornyn (R-TX)
    Cotton (R-AR)
    Crapo (R-ID)
    Ernst (R-IA)
    Fischer (R-NE)
    Graham (R-SC)
    Grassley (R-IA)
    Hatch (R-UT)
    Inhofe (R-OK)
    Isakson (R-GA)
    King (I-ME)
    Kirk (R-IL)
    McCain (R-AZ)
    McConnell (R-KY)
    Moran (R-KS)
    Paul (R-KY)
    Perdue (R-GA)
    Portman (R-OH)
    Risch (R-ID)
    Roberts (R-KS)
    Rounds (R-SD)
    Rubio (R-FL)
    Sasse (R-NE)
    Sessions (R-AL)
    Shelby (R-AL)
    Thune (R-SD)
    Tillis (R-NC)
    Toomey (R-PA)
    Vitter (R-LA)
    Wicker (R-MS)

  32. I am recovering James, but not from the marathon, it is actually still going on. I came down with some type of virus early this week and it never went away. Fortunately my running partner’s husband is also my Doctor from DC. He is here and travels with enough medicine to start a mobile pharmacy. I am now on antibiotics and we will leave to see our friend finish the run in an hour. Only 10K runners here, and we have already booked for next year. And, I lost more weight this week than I did through the whole training process, and the worse thing, as long as I am on this medicine I cannot drink (fortunately I don’t like European wines – but I was looking forward to some whiskey tasting, next time).

  33. Keith, Sorry to hear that your virus never went away. I can’t imagine how frustrating it must be to train for something like that, but not to actually run in it. And of course, it really sucks to be someplace exotic and sick.

  34. WSJ has pointed out as I’ve mentioned before that Lindsay Grahams entrance into the GOP presidential contest likely changes the calculation of the other candidates in the field for the SC Primary

    Some may decide that contesting the state isn’t really worth it or ,at the least, they may spend less time and resources here.

    This may rebound against Graham.A lot of businesses make a lot of money off the primary.If his candidacy has the effect of reducing the significance of it ,with kless attention and less spending?

    Lindsay and his vanity candidacy is going to end up pissing off a lot of home staters.

  35. Fox News’s Britt Hume said that Rand Paul and those who believe like him are “paranoid.”

    This from a honcho with the network that midwifed the birth of the so called Tea Party(or,as I prefer, the rebirth of the White Citizens Council) ?

    I think if I was Fox News the last thing I would be doing is labeling others,


    Indeed, I think that is an entire news operation for which that word aptly applies.

    1. Fox has been getting beat up lately for leading GOPers astray….

      Ther failkure to take the outside world into account and such….

  36. No, but I’m just offering my opinion based on my observations and talking with some folks in the hotel business.

    1. I hear ya…

      It’ll be up a bit later…

      Thanks for your in-state view…

      I have the WSJ piece….

      1. Whipping up the Hillary people….

        Hillary Clinton ‏@HillaryClinton
        Big #Hillary2016 news: We’ll announce the official campaign launch location soon. Be one of the first to know:

          1. Political media getting hot and bothered over NSA
            Let’s see how long it takes to approve the U.S. Freedom Act
            Which just moves things around

          2. As expected the Senate
            EASILY VOTED FOR clotsre on the U.S. FREEDOM
            77 to 17 Aye

            There will be NO SHUT DOWN OF THE NSA progrsms

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