Some new incoming Republican politicians won because they don’t act like Republicans…

The New York Times is out with a piece that is kinda going in two ways….

At first the piece seeks to point to Republicans gains in Congressional , State and Loacal elections….

But then the piece goes on to point out that a few of the Republicans that they highlight have won a few weeks ago ago because they did NOT embrace the GOP talking points going in to the Midterm elections…

They campaigned (Sometimes against terrible Democratic opponents ) on issues that where NOT ideologically focused…

They promised voters that fi elected they would do the opposite of GOP marching orders to JUST block ANYTHING with President Obama’s fingerprints on it….

And THAT may be a good thing, even if the Democrats lost in those races….

“This is not just rhetoric — we spent over $6 million to identify new women and new candidates of diversity and bring them in,” said Matt Walter, the executive director of the Republican State Leadership Committee. “Most of these chambers were flipped because there was a woman or a person of diverse ethnicity in a key targeted seat.”

The wins, by candidates carefully chosen to challenge the traditional notion of the Democratic base, bode well for Republicans in future elections. They had a net gain of 59 women in state legislatures; Democrats lost 63 women. Republicans added 10 Latinos; Democrats lost five. Republicans reported 17 newly elected blacks; a comparable figure for Democrats was not available. In 2008, only about 31 percent of women in state legislatures were Republicans; in 2015, that figure will rise by eight percentage points.

It is not clear yet where the new Republican elected officials fall on the ideological spectrum. Several who were interviewed for this article, including Ms. Barnes, said they were focused on economic issues like job creation, not social issues like abortion and same-sex marriage. Ms. Barnes said that she had made it clear to party leaders that she would entertain good ideas no matter which party floated them, and that she had been promised the freedom to vote her conscience.

It is equally unclear how far the new Republicans will advance politically….

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34 thoughts on “Some new incoming Republican politicians won because they don’t act like Republicans…”

  1. Maybe…
    But some of these state and even US House people ran as ‘doers’ NOT Rightwingnuts…

    If you notice in the piece that the author close with the line that these people may not last due to their NONE ideological ties to their party…

  2. Yes and we hear this “stuff” all the time.

    Frankly,I don’t buy into it.

    If you do?Fine with me, shortly you will be here with your well known “WTFs” at some outrage perpetrated by the new Republican “pragmatists” all of whom ,while paying lip service to such trifle,ran as RIGHT WING “conservatives.”

  3. I didn’t say that.

    I said they are “conservatives.”They are TOTALLY opposed to Obama and ALL his programs and they are going to vote that way.

    You have this quaint “need” of insisting that there are in government a bunch of Republicans out there simply “eager” to “cooperate” in “getting things done.”

    Disregarding for the moment the fact that such,in and of itself,is contrary to basic Republican doctrine(which is the LESS done the better) ,the political reality over the past six years or so shows amply that such hasn’t happened.

    And ,once again, amusingly,it is YOU who are CONSTANTLY harping on the Republicans obstructionism.

    Now you see these newly elected Republicans as somehow “different” because you’ve read some article that says that.

    How nice! And how irrelevant!

    Get your “WTFs ” primed up.Youre going to need them!

  4. Jack?

    You have always had the position that a Republican is a Republican…
    That there are NO grey shades in someone with a R behind their name…

    This piece is about some state incoming legislators…
    Some of them had D’s behind their names…
    Most of them the piece points out audtioned for their jobs as ‘doers’ that happen to be GOPer’s…

    The piece even points to the fact that some of these people by NOT IDing with the flame throwing rightwingnuts
    might have problems down the road….

    Along with this is a hint that some Democrats have gotten themselves stuck in NOT listening to voters and NOT dealing with things that are important to THEM…
    That is NOTR about President Obama…
    But about common sense…

    Yes…
    I will CONTINUE to complain about the rightwingnuts and the Republicans fighting obama instead of helping the government deal with day to day issues…
    BET ON IT!

  5. Your comments were about incoming REPUBLICANS and that was what I was PLAINLY referring to.

    As usual,when confronted with a contrary argument?

    You CHANGE the subject.

  6. I haven’t seen the whole article, but the extract James chose clearly refers (at least on second inspection) to state legislatures (and no doubt some state general officers), and not the U.S. Congress.

    The programmes, platforms and policies of state Republican and Democratic parties on state and local issues clearly and dramatically differ across the country.

    Few GOP legislators in Massachusetts or Rhode Island would vote as conservatively as Democratic legislators in, say, South Carolina.

    Local issues (despite ALEC & co.), local conditions and local opinions vary a great deal, and North Dakota’s or West Virginia’s energy “problem” is different from Rhode Island’s (how do we stop anyone from freezing this winter?) or New Mexico’s (how do we stop people overheating without air conditioning this summer?)

    One indicator of how different things are by state is how off-key and out-of-place many of the cookie-cutter out-of-state campaign commercials (with slanted black-and-white low-res scare photos) that flooded local channels in the last two or three weeks must have looked to local voters. I’m not saying that many of the ads didn’t damage their intended targets, but if local issues were the same across the country, then those commercials would have fit in much better.

  7. What change?
    The piece ISA about incoming people…
    My comments are about the incoming primarily…
    BUT..
    Also about the population of GOPer’s in general ….
    They are NOT all flame throwing rightwingnuts….

  8. The focus of the piece IS state…

    I counter Jack’s notion that even in the US House that ALL GOPer’s there are flame throwing rightwingnuts…
    Some new GOPer’s won because they where able to submerge the GOPer anything but Obama thing and convince even white working class voters that they would TRY to get SOMETHING done when they get to Washington DC

  9. Your COMMENTS to the article (which is what I was responding to) were CLEARLY directed at those elected to CONGRESS.

    You countered NOTHING.

    You offer your USUAL ill informed opinion based on NO evidence whatsoever and you continue to MISQUOTE me (on purpose naturally).

  10. Meanwhile,Sen.Elect Tom Cotton of Arkansas suggested that closing down the government may be necessary to counter President Obamas immigration moves.

    Guess he hasn’t gotten the ” message” yet that this kind of stuff is “out!”

    Hahaha!

  11. jack,

    So what do you want Cotton to say? He has to appeal to those who elected him for friggins sake.

    You’re mixing apples with oranges jack.

    When james mentioned these “Obama Republicans” he certainly DID NOT MEAN Senator-elect Cotton. What james in all likelyhood meant are newly elected House Republicans like Rep.-elect Barbara Comstock (R-VA 10) for starters.

  12. And others who have BEEN in the House but where forced to go underground during the rightwingnut offense’s in 2011/2012 and to the shut down fiasco that TEA PARTY types though they WON!….

  13. I was merely using Cottons statement as an illustration that the newly elected Republicans are all uniformly “conservative.”

    They are uniformly OPPOSED to President Obama and his entire program

    They will vote against him almost every time.

    Once again,only HERE will you have people disputing that universally held view among anyone who understands anything about politics.

  14. jack,

    In your humbled Opinion what should they do then: Say “Hail Mr. President we support you EVERY TIME?”

    There is just a different Political Philosophie between the two Parties and you think you can change that overnight? Gimmie a break.

    Democrats elected Nancy Pelosi after the 2002 MidTerm Elections and she & her Democratic Caucus opposed the Republican Domestic Agenda of George W. Bush 100 % of the time no matter if Dems were in the Minority or Majority from 2006 on.

    And now you’re blaming Republicans when they do the same. Why? I hope you really have a good answer for that.

  15. Your response is so ridiculous and reveals such aMISUNDERSTANDING of my post that I can barely respond.

    I DONT GIVE A DAMN WHAT THEY DO.

    That wasnt point of my post.I was simply stating how they act and that they are “conservatives.”

    Frankly,you have such difficulty understanding what I’m talking about that your reactions are on a Junior High level.

    I didn’t “blame” them for anything.

    I didnt say ANYTHING about differing political philosophies.

    Quite apparently, you are not acquainted with the discussion yesterday whereby I disputed James claim that the newly elected Republicans may be more likely to NOT act as Republicans usually do.I simply stating that I didn’t buy into that and that I expected them to act and vote as “conservatives.”

    Amusingly,you are making my point ,but have not the ability to understand that.

  16. Jack?
    Counter to you protesting
    I think most of us got the impression that u lump ALL republican’s together
    THAT is NOT what I believe
    I have called you out on this before
    There have been at least two pieces recently about Obama republicans
    Who will HAVE TO. Break from the hard right of their party to keep their seats in two years
    I have further pointed out that theses newbies will help boehner and others to moderate the GOP in Congress
    You have disagreed with that based on your ironclad feeling it seems that a Republican is. Republican no matter what
    I believe you are incorrect

  17. Indeed since the shutdown?
    The GOP has worked hard to dilute the influence of the flame throwers
    But you will not accept that it seems

  18. On the moderate question?
    Read the linked piece
    The newbies do not even want talk about social stuff and some are
    FOR the healthcare law
    That’s a moderate to me….

  19. Once again,you have no EVIDENCE to back up your assertions.

    You simply want to believe these things and then you troll the Internet vainly looking for something to back you up.

    In this instance, you fish out this article which talks about a couple of newly elected Republican state legislators (who have NOTHING to do with national politics and cannot back up your unsubstantiated assertion concerning Republican Congresspeople and President Obama).Youre back to your old habit of engaging in minutiae.

    Your penchant for picking out a few people(in this case some unknown state legislators ) and attempting to claim that since these people exist ,that somehow “proves” that there Must be unknown “moderates” among the newly elected Congresspeople.

    As usual,you engage in fallacious “reasoning.” this article proves nothing of the kind.

    My point is that the Republican Party IN Congress is OVERWHELMINGLY “conservative,”that in almost all Important matters they will oppose President Obama(ironically you have run innumerable posts lamenting this same thing),that they will NOT compromise on anything of importance because that is simply

    WHO THEY ARE.

    You simply want to”believe” differently.Reminds me of your “hope” ( against All evidence) that the Democrats would prevail in the recent Elections.you were WRONG then

    You are WRONG now.

  20. More fallacious “reasoning.”

    You are OBSESSED with the “shutdown”

    The fact that Republicans don’t want to “shutdown” the government evidences no “moderation.”They have simply made a political calculation that such would be contrary to their political interests.To extrapolate from that any semblance of incipient “moderation” in dealings with Obama is a flight of fancy almost inexplicable ,even from one like you who often engages in such.

  21. You also show ,by your comments , a keen MISUNDERSTANDING of basic Republican politics.

    Seemingly, you believe that is an ideological gulf between those you describe as “wingnuts” and more orthodox Republican Congresspeople.

    Of course, there ISNT.The disagreement is mostly that of “tactics.”There is very little ideological division in either party presently,at least in the corridors of Congress,For instance Mitch McConnell and Ted Cruz generally AGREE on most issues and ALL of the big ones.McConnell objects to a shutdown as counterproductive but Agrees with Cruz on the issue of illegal immigration.

    In your world,however, there exists a lot of Republicans EAGER to make “deals” with the President on various “issues” (although you cant name any,but you know they are there).

    I don’t believe that.Indeed, I expect little of significance to happen legislatively over the next two years.Minutiae aside, the VAST majority of voters ,who elected this New Congress ,are OPPOSED to any Republican cooperation with the President.I expect those are the voices Republicands will heed in the days ahead.

  22. Unknown?
    The piece names them
    The other piece points to specific House newbies
    If you check back on some House votes you’ll find some members who do NOT follow
    Lock step with the flame throwering right in the GOP

  23. Are there not social conservatives?
    Are there not libertarians?
    Are there not fiscal conservatives?
    Come On Jack
    You are reaching
    I agree coming out of the 2010 House election the hard right co-oped the party
    But since 2012 that has NOT been the story
    The Reince Prebeuis manifesto , which led to big wins a few weeks ago was to maginize the hard righ
    That he could print that points to different shades of GOPers

  24. I’ve checked.

    Sure there are a few contrary votes occassionally,but on the BIG issues ?

    It is almost lock stepped uniformity.

    Once again,this is the only site Im aware of that has a moderator that is SERIOUSLY a suggesting tht the Republicn Party is composed of all sorts of “grays.”It is simply ludicrous .

    The Republican Party is a CONSERVATIVE party that has steadfastly OPPOSED the President on EVERY major issue as you YOURSELF have highlighted here on innumerable occassions.

    As to my allusion to”unknown” legislators?My point was the general public had no idea who these people are and certainly they have no bearing on the ensuing struggle between the President and the CONSERVATIVES in Congress.

    Once again,more irrelevant minutiae.

  25. Again you misquote me and quite frankly I am getting tired of it.

    Go back to my ORIGINAL statement yesterday.I simply said they were Right Wing Conservatives.They are.(see 12:03)

    It was YOU who started with the Right Wing NUTS routine?(see 12:45)

    iI didn’t call them “bad guys.” I simply said they voted against President Obama all the time.They do.(see1:01)

    What does all these subGroups have to do with the subject.

    YOU COME ON!

    Really,I’ve about had it with your creating these Absurd Strawman arguments,saying I said things I didn’t,changing the subject constantly when unable to sustain obscure talking points.

    Yeh You “come on.”

  26. But hey James

    You ought to feel good.

    Daniel “agrees” with you.You know the guy who defined Pat Toomey,who garnered a PERFECT 100% voting record in the most recent ratings of CPAC sponsors,The American Conservative Union, as a “moderate”

    CLOWN FOOLERY or maybe just plain

    DUMB!

  27. Well jack,

    I clashed with james more often than not on his Blog BUT on this Issue I agree with him. Mitch McConnell (R) & Harry Reid (D) may not like each other, they have huge ideological Differences which isn’t unusual when you come from a different Political Spectrum…however these two are good elder Statesman who can broker & hash a Deal together when it counts. We would have had a Grand Bargain in 2011 or a good Fisical Cliff in 2012 had House Speaker John A. Boehner kept his Caucus under control. Biden/Reid/McConnell brokered a Deal together which fell through the House.

    I like what McConnell said on Election Night: “We have to get stuff done where we agree with the President”. AND that will be McConnells fully intend. The Problem is Ted Cruz AND you make a mistake when you throw in the Portmans, Kirks, etc. in the same box as the Texas Senator.

  28. Republicans shout down Ted Cruz

    Republican senators panned Ted Cruz and his conservative colleagues’ Wednesday as they picked up traction on their push to derail the House GOP’s plan to keep the government funded.
    The high-profile Texas conservative made a splash on Wednesday in announcing his opposition to House leaders’ plans to pass an omnibus spending bill to keep the government funded through September, revisit Department of Homeland Security funding early next year and pass a proposal disapproving of Obama’s immigration policy — which the Democrat-controlled Senate will not take up.
    Story Continued Below

    First he joined colleagues from the Senate’s right flank and demanded both chambers take a harder line against Obama than proposed by GOP leaders, then he joined House hardliners at a press conference at which urged Republicans to “do what you promised” in pushing back against Obama’s executive order shielding millions from deportation.
    “We should pass a short-term continuing resolution that includes language defunding the implementation of the president’s executive action on amnesty,” Cruz said on Wednesday.
    But Cruz’s push, which is backed by a number of GOP senators and House members from the GOP’s right flank, is beginning to irk colleagues that still smart when reminded of last year’s government shutdown over Obamacare funding — a drama in which Cruz was a central player.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/ted-cruz-spending-bill-immigration-113287.html

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