Police around the country deal with confrontation issues after Ferguson…

Police Department’s around the country are being forced to deal with an age old issue…..

People stepping to cops….

In most places around the planet when you get in the face of a cop?

You have a problem…

If there is a color problem?

It gets worst in the media….

After the protests the first place in Ferguson, Missouri….

Police Departments have begun to require it’s members to examine the ‘give no ground’ policy of dealing with people…

Departments around the country have in recent years stepped up their training in ‘‘de-escalation’’ — the art of defusing a tense situation with a word or a gesture instead of being confrontational or reaching for a weapon.

Proponents, including the Justice Department, say the approach can improve trust and understanding between police and residents, curtail the unnecessary use of force and improve the safety of officers and civilians alike.

‘‘We haven’t taught officers to just walk away,’’ said Cambridge, Massachusetts, Police Commissioner Robert Haas. ‘‘But if the only reason a person is acting up is because you’re standing there … isn’t that a viable approach?’’

Haas and other law enforcement officials said they didn’t want to second-guess Wilson’s actions because they weren’t in his shoes at the time of the Aug. 9 shooting.

But, many said, the case should accelerate a national discussion about police culture and the potential for broader training in de-escalation, which is considered especially important in dealing with people in mental health or drug-related crises.

In Missouri this month, a federal law enforcement team held training with St. Louis-area police, including top commanders from Ferguson, on how unintentional bias affects police work. That approach goes hand-in-hand with de-escalation.

‘‘In every police encounter, the officer and the civilian bring with them and see the world through their experiences. The more these views diverge, the more they immediately see the other as a threat,’’ said Jenny Durkan, the former U.S. attorney in Seattle who led the effort to curb excessive uses of force by city police….


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17 thoughts on “Police around the country deal with confrontation issues after Ferguson…”

  1. If any thing comes out of this Ferguson thing ,it will be this.

    Having some experience in these matters,I have often been amazed at how relatively minor incidents ,particularly between Police and Minorities, often spirals out of control .

    Further,and this most will find rather surprising,it is my view that there are,in many cities and towns ,TOO MANY police officers,that they don’t have a lot to do,and frequently involve themselves in minor matters that are not worthy of law enforcement attention.

    1. Yes, Jack….

      Media exposure will often skew incidents into MAJOR Situations ….
      And that’s not just with police encounters….

      The piece deals with something that is good subject….
      Police officers like everyone else come in different sizes, shapes , colors and temperaments…
      Working on the ones that may have ego or aggressive tendencies is a GOOD thing….
      Applying those things should be matched to the right situations and law enforcement leadership NEEDS to address the issue….
      If they don’t?
      Problems from those situations could cost the bosses THEIR jobs…

      Police work is in fact an experience of the routine often boring with unexpected critical , intense things….

      Those unexpected situations must be handled by a human being in a split second….
      Then will be analyzed over a period of time by those who have never been there…
      Oh, and some departments have college police officers and some have high school educated ones….
      Of course the military thing works to some extend…
      But the American Street is NOT the same as a battle field….

      As you continual point out…
      There IS a racial undercut in America…

  2. Well,Im speaking more of the everyday goings ons that are NOT media events.

    As a Prosecutor,I have often been given “cases” to prosecute that should NEVER have even been in Court.

    Often,such are labelled “victimless crimes”(contrary to popular belief such accounts for the vast majority of “cases” that the Police deal with).Indeed,the Brown case was of that caliber(“Walking in a Roadway”).

  3. I think there’s a major split between the MYOB libertarian view of reactive policing (if it ain’t broke, don’t try to fix it; if no one’s hurt, don’t aggravate things) and the Broken Windows J.Q.Wilson/Bill Bratton/Ray Kelly/Giuliani-Bloomberg idea of “pro-active policing”, which is intentionally intrusive, usually ends up concentrating on parts of The Lower Orders (e.g. the homeless, public-housing residents) and for these reasons creates flashpoints where undertrained or biassed police clash dangerously with those they should be serving.

    Even in Rhode Island, the East Providence Police Department has a reputation for hassling people for legal, innocent behaviour that just looks out of place to the cop (e.g., a young single white female friend of mine was once followed by an EPPD car as she went to the Teamsters Hall to vote in a local election; the police asked a white friend of mine what he was doing as he was driving his truck home from an East Providence bowling alley’s parking lot after we’d spent an hour as paying customers; it’s gotta be far worse for minorities). But other RI police departments don’t generally use such a strategy; for one thing many of them have too few officers to waste time on trolling without a specific purpose.

    1. Whew DSD!

      Rudy is in trouble because he has voiced an opinion that actually isn’t far from the truth…

      Crime in poor area’s is done mostly by OTHER’s from the area…
      Most of the poor area’s in American’s minds is viewed as black area’s…
      Black on Black crime is a reality…
      Just as white on white crime is an issue in rural area’s…
      But of course the black poor is what we hear about…

      Sending rookie cops into high crime area’s a recipe for problems…(See recent NYC Housing shooting)

      Sending white cops into black area’s that are afraid, or poorly trained is another problem…

      But to be fair?

      If people get in the habit of getting into cops faces?
      No matter how much trying the cop gets?
      Just as in ANTY situation…
      There IS gonna be problems…

      Oh, and cops…
      Like ANY other profession has good, bad and ugly members….

  4. It’s interesting that a more progressive ,as well as richer state,like Rhode Island has a problem with too “few” police officers.

    In SC,I know of NO department that has such a problem.

    Indeed, the very FACT that Police Deptartments have “time” in their supposedly “understaffed” situations to engage in the type of behavior endemic to MOST Police Depts. sort beliies this inherent presumption .

  5. As I’ve mentioned before Ferguson sits amid a part of the St. Louis metro area that is rife with small municipalities with active police forces. These towns often get most of their revenue from tickets and fines.

    I’ve been pulled over around there and I’ve heard stories from black friends who live near there who have dealt with what can at times feel like police harassment and intimidation.

    Had many of these municipalities merged years ago and we were rid of needless separate police departments the tension could have been avoided that caused Ferguson to explode.

    Michael Brown was no angel, he didn’t deserve to die for his actions but Wilson may have had no choice to defend himself in a manner that took Brown’s life.

    So while some who aren’t familiar with the St. Louis region don’t understand why Brown’s death triggered such a response you have to look deeper and see what set the stage for all of this.

    1. The Mayor in Ferguson has just made an announcement about hiring more minority cops and that the area may set up a civilian view board….

  6. The median household or family income in the city of Providence is no greater than Mississippi’s. See PolitiFact in last Thursday’s Providence Journal:


    Providence just graduated her first police academy class (of around 50 or 60) in years, but many of those will replace older officers who’ve been waiting to retire or move on.

    As a city of about 180,000 souls in about 19 square miles, Providence normally has over 200 sworn officers, but she’s had fewer than that for several years now. The city budget got badly hit by accumulated underfunding of municipal pensions & health benefits, deindustrialization, the Economic Crisis of 2008, a failure to recover from that, and Rhode Island’s slashing of local aid (rather than raising revenue) when the state got hit by similar pressures.

    Nearly everyone (certainly all this year’s candidates for mayor and city council) agrees that both commercial and residential property taxes have hit the maximum feasible limit, and like many U.S. cities, Providence has few other options since she can’t impose an income or payroll tax on her own.

    1. In fact Nassau County where I live has graduated it’s first class likewise of police offices in a while…

      Same thing…

      Budget bleeding makes hiring unioninized cops that cost $100,000 a year even spending their first six months in the academy at base pay something for pols to think hard about….

      While Jack does make a good point about the nature of police work…
      The fact is police hiring is an economic AND POLITICAL thing…
      If your voters do not feel safe?
      Hiring more cops and putting them in the street sure DOES have a political payoff….
      The number of cops vs crime levels is something that has debated extensively…
      Be THAT what it amy?
      Mayor’s and City managers are keenly aware of numbers or officers vs population ratio’s….

      1. NYC which has 32,000 cops is also going back and forth about bringing on board more cops….
        With Mayor deBlasio wanting to slow hiring…
        And the Police Union and City Council people looking for more…

        So that’s the same thing as small cities, towns or counties….
        But hiring MORE cops ALWAYS plays good politically for ya….

        Obama has brought back an old Clinton safe streets program that provides federal money for local police hiring…
        But the program covers 3 to 5 years I believe ….
        After that the locals have to pay for the hire….
        (Tough to take the money , eh?)

  7. Another tragic WASTE of money.

    There is NO empirical evidence that “hiring” more police officers has ANYTHING to do with crime rates.

    I agree though that it is good “politics.”

  8. If we had more cops in Providence, then we could return to more neighborhood policing and some foot or bicycle patrols.

    I don’t know what effect those have on crime statistics, but they definitely make residents feel safer and improve community-police relations.

    1. And THAT DSD IS the point I make that is well taken…

      Police Officers spend about MAYBE 10% of their time as crime fighters….
      The area that jack is concentrating on…
      90% of their time is spent on the mundane ….
      Taking reports, traffic, disputes , medical calls, vehicle accidents, dealing the homeless, escorting VIPS, meeting with civic groups, dealing school students, etc…
      Those things are mostly highly visible and maybe most people everyday dealing with local government…

      And with the right officers out there there sure would be an improvement in community relations and quality of life in ALL the neighborhoods….

      That’s a Win-Win situation….

  9. When did you make such a “point?”

    I’ve searched in vain for it.

    As for the above by you?

    Real nice feely good “stuff.”Of course it totally ignores the fact that Police Depts are NOT social service agencies and that their reason for existing is to enforce the law ,solve crimes and presumably to protect the citizenry from the criminal element.

    Interestingly,Dearren Wilson was performing in a typical “community policing” mode ,enforcing “quality of life” type ordinances,i e,keeping people from walking in a roadway and potentially obstructing traffic.That didn’t work out very well.
    Personally , I regard all this “stuff” as a waste of time and money,however, it makes people feel “good,” while ,of course, doing NOTHING about real criminal activity,but,gee a

    “Win win.”

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